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Chandler's Astrophysics
This is a discussion of Chandler's Astrophysics & Geophysics.
 
'13-07-03, 19:07
'13-07-03, 19:08
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

I read your paper on the Corona at Corona (http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=4741-4752-5653-5660-6031-5237-6042) last week I think. And here's my comment.

It sounds like you're saying that positive ions are going both inward and outward from the corona, some entering the Sun from the corona and some speeding away from the corona toward the heliosphere. How can there be a steady supply of positive ions there that move both inward and outward? Do you still figure that CMEs send out positive ions from the Sun?

If positive ions are known to fall into the Sun, my guess is that they're heavy ions that are too heavy for the solar wind to lift.

'13-07-03, 19:10
'16-05-29, 19:16
 
Charles Chandler
Baltimore, MD
 
 
Yes, there is reason to believe that positive ions are going in both directions, and because in both cases the motion is non-Newtonian, in both cases the motivation has to be electromagnetic. So how could that be?
 
I'm contending that there is an electric field between the Sun, which has a net negative charge, and the heliosphere, which has a net positive charge. That will get positive ions moving toward the Sun. In the case of highly ionized iron atoms spewed out in CMEs, the acceleration back into the Sun can be relativistic.
 
But we also see lighter elements (especially hydrogen) streaming out from the Sun in the solar wind, at up to 800 km/s. That's not really what you would call a relativistic velocity, but it's way past anything predictable on the basis of the thermal velocity (even at millions of degrees), so this is clearly non-Newtonian as well. So I'm contending that these positive ions are motivated away from the Sun by electron drag. Given the flow of electrons away from the Sun, some of the positive ions will get drug along with the electron stream. Once accelerated in that direction, the ions become candidates for electron uptake. As neutral atoms, the electric field no longer affects them, but they still might be hit by a free electron every now and again, and further accelerated. Hence in an electric field, as a general rule, positive ions go one way and electrons go the other, but the further you get from the cathode, the more chance there is of finding counter-streaming atomic nuclei.
'13-07-03, 23:12
'13-07-04, 16:57
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

Why shouldn't we discuss Anything in your theory, instead of just the Corona? On the Mathis' Errors thread we're discussing Anything from Mathis' theory. Or can't each thread starter decide how specific or general to make a thread?

Mathis. I think Mathis used the argument regarding the negative charge of the Earth that it's the photonic charge field emitted from the Earth that drags along the "negative" and "positive" ions; otherwise, the electrical theory doesn't seem to account for how the Earth can remain negative for so many millions of years or whatever despite the constant bombardment of positive cosmic ray ions.

Here are some statements from Mathis' Magnetopause paper at http://milesmathis.com/pause.html.

_The Earth's spin makes it both anode and cathode to the charge field [of emitted photons].
_It recycles the charge field, and the charge field drives the E/M field [electric and magnetic fields].
_This explains the genesis of the Earth's E/M field without postulating dynamos in the Earth.
_This also explains why the Earth, like all macro-bodies, often seems to be an infinite well of negative charge [which n]either the standard model nor the electrical/plasma model can explain [].*8898

'13-07-04, 16:39
'16-05-29, 19:17
 
Charles Chandler
Baltimore, MD
 
Lloyd said:
Why shouldn't we discuss Anything in your theory, instead of just the Corona? On the Mathis' Errors thread we're discussing Anything from Mathis' theory. Or can't each thread starter decide how specific or general to make a thread?
We can discuss anything you like. I just think that comments on a particular topic should be attached to the topic itself. So if you read a section of my theory, then at the end, there are all of the comments on that section — you shouldn't have to root through the rest of the site to find out what people said about that particular section.
 
But there's another way to go about this — in QDL, posts can appear under multiple threads. So I created a new thread at the end of the Corona paper, and cross-linked just the two posts from this thread that were about the corona into that thread. So we can have this as the general-purpose thread, where anything can be discussed. Then, individual posts can be cross-linked at the end of the sections they discuss.
 
That will work better if people use separate posts to discuss separate issues. Then the posts can be individually copied to their respective sections.
'13-07-04, 16:51
'16-05-29, 19:17
 
Charles Chandler
Baltimore, MD
 
Lloyd said:
This also explains why the Earth, like all macro-bodies, often seems to be an infinite well of negative charge [which n]either the standard model nor the electrical/plasma model can explain [].
Plasma theory does explain this — it's call Debye charging.
'13-07-04, 16:57
'16-05-29, 19:17
 
Charles Chandler
Baltimore, MD
 
Lloyd said:
I had previously not had the impression that your model had positive ions entering the Sun. I guess your paper includes a reference for where you heard about that. Right?
Sheeley, N. R., Jr.; Wang, Y., 2001: Coronal Inflows and Sector Magnetism The Astrophysical Journal Letters, 562 (1): L107
 
'14-02-23, 14:18
'14-02-23, 14:19
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

I have a few questions at http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14895


'15-12-28, 20:27
'15-12-29, 02:51
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

Charles, do you have interest in trying to understand and explain Star Clusters? There are open clusters and globular clusters. I think the open clusters tend to be in the galactic disk, while the globular clusters tend to be above and below the disk in the galactic halo. You mentioned in one of your quasar discussions (which I copied to the Comments under your Tokamaks paper in the Comment titled Quasars, Part 2) that stars may cluster around quasars and form clusters. Do you think those would tend to be open clusters or globular clusters? Since quasars tend to follow the minor axes of galaxies, it looks like the quasar-centered star clusters would likely appear mainly in the galactic halo. You speculated that individual quasars might tend to fall back to the galactic center, but then keep going indefinitely once past the center. Are quasars found far from any galaxies? My impression is that they tend to remain nearby their parent galaxies. I'm wondering if quasars may form globular clusers in galactic halos and then move back into the disk or the bulge, or keep going away from the galaxy.

Have you thought much about this?

Here's a map of the Milky Way globular clusters, which appear to show them mostly close to the galactic bulge: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/globular.gif

The map is at the bottom of this webpage: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/globular.html

Above the map is a list of the locations of the globular clusters and above that some photos.

Here's the List:


Catalog | Equatorial | Galactic | Visual|Angular|Distance|Con
Number | Coordinates | Coordinates| Mag. | Diam. | (kly) |
_________|__RA______Dec__|___l°____b°_|_______|__(')__|________|___
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