Tolenio, who used to frequent these forums, posted about his hypothesis that there is a connection, albeit delayed, between solar flares, CMEs, and spikes in the K index (as charted on spaceweather.com).
His rule of thumb for Oklahoma was that it would take about 13 days from a spike in the K index until a significant quake would be logged in Oklahoma. It isn't a 100% connection, but often enough that I have been watching it.
I usually save the X ray flux graphic and the K index graphic to the hard drive of whatever computer I'm using at the time. I do this because, even though you can see past days' statistics on spaceweather.com, they often don't reflect completely what is available on the graphics. But you can't bring up the past graphics. So I save the graphics with a file name that indicates the date and highest level on the chart.
Thirteen days before Nov. 5 was Oct. 23. I checked my archived graphics and found that the K index had suddenly spiked to level 5 ("storm" level) on Oct. 23. So the earthquake activity in Oklahoma on Nov. 5 did fit in with Tolenio's observations.
Lots of times, though, the earthquake activity is reflected in only one hemisphere. This time, though, there were two significant earthquakes within 1 minute of each other. There was a 4.7 magnitude quake in Oklahoma at 2:12 a.m. on Nov. 5, but there was also a 5.2 magnitude quake in South America at 2:13 a.m. on Nov. 5 (that's US Central time), or 5 hours earlier than UTC. [Of course, now that the US changed our clocks at 2:00 a.m. on Nov. 6, Central time is now 6 hours earlier than UTC.]
nick c
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
hi ElecGeekMom,
Tolenio, who used to frequent these forums, posted about his hypothesis that there is a connection, albeit delayed, between solar flares, CMEs, and spikes in the K index (as charted on spaceweather.com).
Forum member Tolenio still visits the forum, having made several posts in the last 30 days. Here is the relevant thread: Quake Prediction 2010
tolenio
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
Hello,
Based on my correlations plasma is inserted into the magnetosphere during geomagnetic storms. This trapped plasma (plasmoids) then have effects on climate and weather and are tied to earthquakes when they ground to a) old impact craters, b) tectonic faults, c) volcanoes.
The plasma insertion is forced by the magnetic field of the planets discharge of plasma and is brought to an equatorial neural magnetic point where it is inserted into the magnetosphere.
You can see this effect here in the magnetosphere...
The quatorial magnetic point shifting latitude based on competing polar intensities during the geomagnetic storm
This neural point telegraphs the plasma insertions to both northern and southern hemispheres based on the polarization of the solar plasma.
These plasmoids then move eastwards through the planets magnetic ductwork.
Oklahoma has the Ames Structure in Major County which is northwest of where all these quakes occur.
The Ames structure has an odd magnetic quadrupole effect that may focus the discharge of a plasmoid to ground when conditions are favorable. The Ames Structure is reputed to be an old impact crater.
Quadrupoles are used specifically for that purpose...
Electromagnets of similar conceptual design (called quadrupole magnets) are commonly used to focus beams of charged particles in particle accelerators and beam transport lines, a method known as strong focusing.
In accelerator physics strong focusing or alternating-gradient focusing is the principle that the net effect on a particle beam of charged particles passing through alternating field gradients is to make the beam converge.
The Ames structure also has gravity anomalies which I believe are residual effects of plasma dishcarges.
Gravity Data
The residual Bouguer field (Fig. 3) reveals a circular negative anomaly of about 2 mgal that is almost perfectly coincident with the central structural depression as defined by structure contours on the Sylvan Shale (Fig. 2). This gravity low is surrounded by an annular gravity high with a radius of 6 km and an amplitude of about 0.5 mgal; this positive anomaly ring coincides with the structural high comprising the rim of the Ames structure.
If you look at the gravity imaging you can see the highest gravity is in the southeast corner, and Oklahoma quakes are primarily occurring to the southeast of the Ames Structure;
Is that simply coincidence?
If you look above at the plaentary magnetic field intensity and gravity anomaly overlay you can see the gravity anomalies associated with how the planet discharges plasma. I suspect this results in gravity wave fluctuationss and when the Ames Structure discharges plasma it would be like a large foot stomping down with the bulk of the impact moving southeast.
I do not believe the planet sits in a gravity well, rather it rides a gravity wave anomaly that is a byproduct of the solar plasma the planet dishcharges. Similarly the Oklahoma quakes may be tied to electromtive force of a grounding plasma and the gravity wave impacts it generates.
The current quake activity and weather patterns would be due to solar plasma introduced October 24th in my opinion.
Since I suspect the plasma has differential rotation speed by latitude as related to EMF intensity by latitude the storm in Nome Alaska may similarly be tied to this geomagnetic storm of October 24th.
...minnesota.publicradio.org/.../epic_arctic_hurricane_slams_al.shtmlYou +1'd this publicly. Undo 4 hours ago – Nome looks to be in the direct path of the Mega Storm, which Alaska's NWS compares to the November 11-12, 1974 storm...the strongest in ...
There may be quakes in Alaska too to note.
Wait until we turn the corner in this Gleissberg solar minima and you should see a lot more activity.
Tom
tolenio
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
Hello,
If I had to make a guess I would suspect an earthquake in Quebec (Manicouagan )at an old impact crater there in the next 24 hours.
Similarly to the Ames Structure this Quebec site should discharge plasma if conditions are favorable with a resulting earthquake.
Magnetic Anomalies
Gravity Anomalies
Earthquake distribution northwest to south east
Tom
Anaconda
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
When an earthquake happens, the first issue to investigate is the local geology in the vicinity of the earthquake.
They [earthquakes] are on the Wilzetta fault, which is also called the Seminole uplift.
The Seminole Uplift is a broad subsurface feature about 50 miles wide and over 75 miles long. It consists of a number of anticlines and "faulted noses" (oil company jargon) that host oil, and the uplift has been a prolific oil source. Many of the wells drilled in the 1920's to 1940's are still producing today...
I don't dismiss prior hypothesis offered on this board. Plasma and/or electromagnetic effects may have a part in the causation of this earthquake, but notice that the earthquake happened in an uplift. So, this suggests the possibility that earthquake activity in this region is longstanding.
Earthquakes have increased in frequency from about 2009 to the present and there is speculation, though no agreement, on the cause of this increase.
Also, the earthquake activity along an intra-cratonic (within a continental plate) uplift suggests the possibility of upward pressure from below.
(Lateral pressure or earth movement may also be a causation for the earthquake activity. I also do not dismiss the relevancy of the ancient impact crater in the vicinity.)
What would cause this upward pressure from below?
A possible answer is that matter is rising or forcing its way upward and is expressed by the deformation geology of the uplift.
Could this be a signature of The Expanding Earth Theory as expressed by local geology and earthquake activity?
In reviewing world-wide earthquake activity & geological uplift, it appears the two go hand-in-hand. Also, by and large, the amount of observed & measured additional uplift after an earthquake exceeds the observed & measured additional subsidence in the area of the earthquake.
When does this repeated observation & measurement of uplift exceeding subsidence become a pattern that requires investigation and analysis which takes into account The Expanding Earth Theory?
Doureios
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
There is already a lot of research going on in the area of earthquake and Ionosphere electron flux changes.
The results are most promising and all large earthquakes ( > 6 - 6.5) can be predicted.
I quote the abstract from a relevant paper of a Greek team leading the research in the Technical University of Thrace.
In this article we present examples of a wider study of space-time correlation of electron precipitation event of the Van Allen belts with the position and time of occurrence of strong (M>6.5) earthquakes. The study is based on the analysis of observations of electron bursts (EBs) with energies 70 - 2350 keV at middle geographic latitudes, which were detected by DEMETER satellite (at an altitude of ~700 km). The EBs show a relative peak-to-background increase usually < 100, they have a time duration ~0.5 - 3 min, energy spectrum with peaks moving in higher energies as the satellite moves towards the equator, and highest energy limit <~500 keV. The EBs are observed in the presence of VLF waves. The flux-time profile of the EBs varies in East Asia and Mediterranean Sea at the similar geographic latitudes, due to the differentiation of the magnitude of the earth's magnetic field. The most important result of our study is the characteristic temporal variation of electron precipitation variation which begins with incremental rate several days a few weeks before major earthquakes, then presents a maximum, and finally become weaker, with a minimun or a pause of the electron precipitation some hours before the onset of the earthquake.
There are several other teams in France, Rusia and Japan working on the same topic.
Some relevant papers can be found in the link below:
Stopping at a "geologic uplift" and not identifying the root cause is incomplete.
It would be like saying that pavement causes traffic rush hour, when the underlying cause of rush hour is employement.
If a person can say there was a geomagnetic storm on November 1st and there will an earthquake in OK 12 days later is a very curious correlation.
nov 1.GIF (10.32 KiB) Viewed 3406 times
Same timing ocurred in the prior larger quake that prompted this question.
Tom
mharratsc
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
I personally find the hypothesis presented here to be eminently logical. I've always thought that particular geological areas were better 'conductors' than other areas, and now we have some idea how this might be possible with the above 'quadrupolar antenna' idea presented above.
From what I can tell, the epicenter of the most recent EQ is around 20 miles from this problem on I-40. The photo with the article currently doesn't show the 15 foot piece of metal sticking out of the expansion joint. Hopefully they will release some other photos soon. I can't quite imagine what is causing the tire blowouts.
Is it common for EQ-prone areas to have problems with their highways that are NOT elevated roadways?
ElecGeekMom
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
Since Major County (where the magnetic anomaly is) is about 5-6 counties away from Pottawatomie County (where the recent Oklahoma earthquakes have been occurring), what could be happening?
Why don't we see more EQs in Major County in the NW quadrant of OK, instead of just east of Oklahoma City in the center of the state?
onthehook
Re: Oklahoma earthquake
One of those shouts of ignorance, ha ha, while much is sensationalism, there may also be some truth?
Since Major County (where the magnetic anomaly is) is about 5-6 counties away from Pottawatomie County (where the recent Oklahoma earthquakes have been occurring), what could be happening?
Why don't we see more EQs in Major County in the NW quadrant of OK, instead of just east of Oklahoma City in the center of the state?
A discharging plasma should have both electromotive force, magnetic and gravity anomalies associated with it.
What is the gravity anomaly of the Ames Structure?
Perspective view of (third-order polynomial) residual Bouguer gravity anomaly. Heavy line shows the W-E line of cross-section used to construct profiles and models in Fig. 5. Small cross-line intersects heavy line at 36.260 deg N, 98.187 deg W, taken to be the center of the Sylvan structure (x = 0 km, y = 0 km), and lies close to the center of the gravity and magnetic lows.
What is the relationship of the gravity high (darkest red) of the anomaly to the direction that most of the quakes occur?
So when a plasma discharge occurs the gravity high is intensified and things get pushed southeast until they meet resistance.
Imagine a Newton's Cradle...
What happens to the moving energy? What would happen to the last ball if it offered resistance to the energy? That energy will be realeased where the resistance occurs.
Tom
Kapriel
Re: Electric Earthquakes
So bear with me here, I'm coming in to the subject new, and frankly am very interested.
Am I understanding this correctly: gravity anomalies are really just the locations of subterranean quadrupoles, or a cross-roads of sorts for internal plasma discharge whose original source would actually be the solar wind?
Gravity anomalies are thought to represent points that lie above and below the geoid. The attractive force inherent in a positive anomaly would be attributed to the additional mass it contained, and vice versa. Are you suggesting this is a misinterpretation?
Thanks.
Dotini
Re: Electric Earthquakes
So ground currents are initiated by shaking the magnetosphere? In the past, NASA has hinted that these "spacequakes" may be related to earthquakes.
http://spaceweather.com/ <---archive Nov 30, 2011 GROUND CURRENTS IN NORWAY: A solar wind stream is buffeting Earth's magnetic field and this is causing electrical currents to flow in the earth itself at high latitudes. Rob Stammes sends this report from the Polarlightcenter in Lofoten, Norway: "Today, a magnetic disturbance began around 12.00 UTC. The [shaking of Earth's magnetic field] induced a ground current around our observatory: data. This is a good sign that we will see Northern Lights tonight."
