JeffreyW wrote: I am in the unique position now of having bottlenecked the entire astronomy/astrophysical communities just with one simple insight. They now have to pass though me before they make any progress.
H2 and O2 go through what natural process to combine into H2O?
H2 and O2 are combined with heat.
Its basic chemistry.
You subtract the energy from bonds being broken to the new bonds, resulting in a negative change in enthalpy (heat being expelled).
This is one reason why Neptune is radiating more energy than it receives from the Sun, it is combining molecules together for net exothermic reactions on very large scales.
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
Sparky wrote:
Standard modelers say that they see water, but when we get to the moon, mars , or an asteroid, there is none...Where did your Earth get it's water?
Earth's water was formed where it currently stands, when it gets older it will evaporate away and take the appearance of Venus, then Mars, then Mercury over many more millions of years.
The hydrogen and oxygen for ocean formation was always here, even when the Earth was a very young hot star like the Sun.
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
Earth was at one point an ocean world before the dinosaurs, as there was no "land" that could be walked upon, similar to this artist's conceptualization:
Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
Sparky wrote:
Standard modelers say that they see water, but when we get to the moon, mars , or an asteroid, there is none...Where did your Earth get it's water?
Earth's water was formed where it currently stands, when it gets older it will evaporate away and take the appearance of Venus, then Mars, then Mercury over many more millions of years.
And what natural process created water?
Be careful if you try to experiment making water by adding heat to H2 and O2..
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
Sparky wrote:
And what natural process created water?
Stellar evolution/planet formation. Oceans are a result of a star's evolution as are all naturally occurring chemical combination (synthesis) and decomposition (analysis) products.
All stars become ocean worlds at one point in their evolution.
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
The activation energy for all exothermic reactions is provided by the dying star itself.
Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
JeffreyW wrote:
Sparky wrote:
And what natural process created water?
Stellar evolution/planet formation. Oceans are a result of a star's evolution as are all naturally occurring chemical combination (synthesis) and decomposition (analysis) products.
All stars become ocean worlds at one point in their evolution.
Well, wonderful, your imagination has come up with something. But what natural mechanism produces water? Other than the magical gtsm model, that you say does, but so far you can not explain it: at what temperatures, pressure, and in what quantities from what mixtures of gas?
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
Sparky wrote:
JeffreyW wrote:
Sparky wrote:
And what natural process created water?
Stellar evolution/planet formation. Oceans are a result of a star's evolution as are all naturally occurring chemical combination (synthesis) and decomposition (analysis) products.
All stars become ocean worlds at one point in their evolution.
Well, wonderful, your imagination has come up with something. But what natural mechanism produces water? Other than the magical gtsm model, that you say does, but so far you can not explain it: at what temperatures, pressure, and in what quantities from what mixtures of gas?
At temperatures and pressures higher than the standard temp and pressures.
Standard temp and pressure are way too low during the combination reactions required to form water vapor. Not only that, but the heat produced is convected through the atmosphere of the dying star, causing giant storms the size of Earth to dissipate the heat generated.
The mixtures of gas is easy. 2 parts hydrogen gas, 1 part oxygen gas. That is what a water molecule is, one part oxygen, 2 parts hydrogen.
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
My guess is that this storm is a direct result of ocean water formation:
Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
My guess is that this storm is a direct result of ocean water formation:
A guess!!!??? More imagination! Do you have anything to support your guess? Anything to explain water formation, like an experiment?
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
Sparky wrote:
My guess is that this storm is a direct result of ocean water formation:
A guess!!!??? More imagination! Do you have anything to support your guess? Anything to explain water formation, like an experiment?
here's an even better explosion of water being made from hydrogen gas and oxygen gas being heated, and that's just a few drops. Just IMAGINE (I know it might be hard for you) all the heat produced from making the oceans of the Earth.
Oh and imagination is more important than knowledge. Didn't you know?
Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
here's an even better explosion of water being made from hydrogen gas and oxygen gas being heated
Yes, ignition of H will cause an explosion...and a by product is H2O...
But do you really call an exothermic reaction such as that adding heat? I would not.
Try again. Just add heat to a gas mixture! No sparks or fire! There is probably a point where the mixture will ignite, but that is not what we need. We need a chemical reaction within or near the surface of Earth, not explosions. I would suggest that first you need to come up with a way of confining the H and O in more of a concentration than is already present in our atmosphere.
There is a new article about finding a "cloud of water" near a brown dwarf.
I don't think so. Why would it not sublimate?! You and your friends at NASA keep finding water in space and planets, but how is that possible??
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
Sparky wrote:
here's an even better explosion of water being made from hydrogen gas and oxygen gas being heated
Yes, ignition of H will cause an explosion...and a by product is H2O...
But do you really call an exothermic reaction such as that adding heat? I would not.
Try again. Just add heat to a gas mixture! No sparks or fire! There is probably a point where the mixture will ignite, but that is not what we need. We need a chemical reaction within or near the surface of Earth, not explosions. I would suggest that first you need to come up with a way of confining the H and O in more of a concentration than is already present in our atmosphere.
There is a new article about finding a "cloud of water" near a brown dwarf.
I don't think so. Why would it not sublimate?! You and your friends at NASA keep finding water in space and planets, but how is that possible??
It happens inside of the brown dwarf where the pressures are high enough to sustain convection when these reactions occur. The reason why it "explodes" in this example is because the pressure and temperature are already really low inside of the environment in which the reaction occurs, which is standard temp and pressure of the atm of the Earth.
The ocean water synthesis happens inside of the star as it evolves. The brown dwarf is the stage of star evolution in which the hydrogen gas and oxygen gas combine releasing heat and causing massive amounts of convection. This convection manifests as differential rotation bands on all brown dwarf stars.
To boot water isn't the only molecule releasing great amounts of heat as chemical synthesis (combination) happens. We have various acids and bases that form the beginning structure of rocks and minerals which then deposit on the interior core as the star evolves. Those are in vast amounts as well.
Looking at a star as a giant chemical experiment that changes over time neutralizing in more ways than one is vastly superior to "fusion scientism" of 20th century dogma.
JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
In a few days will be the 3 year anniversary of the discovery that stars evolve into what are called "planets". I am glad I hung in there for this long. I have many more years to go before this gets taught in school. I have just discovered how off-center astrophysics has really been, and it was much worse than I had originally anticipated.
The truth is that they don't even have the basics down yet. Hopefully this theory will change that.
But what natural mechanism produces water? Other than the magical gtsm model, that you say does, but so far you can not explain it: at what temperatures, pressure, and in what quantities from what mixtures of gas?
You and your friends at NASA keep finding water in space and planets, but how is that possible??
