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JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

In stellar metamorphosis the central object is a pulsar that is dying, not a black hole.

Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

If you say so, I really don't know what is out there.... ;)

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

A pulsar is short for "pulsating star".

This is another huge language issue. Pulsars are not stars at all. Here are some differences:

The term pulsar means pulsating star to
20th century scientists. This is very problematic
for 21st century scientists because pulsars are
much different than stars. Some differences are
listed below to explain why stars are not
pulsars.

1. Pulsars emit beams of electromagnetic
radiation. Stars shine in all directions evenly.

2. Stars outnumber pulsars by many hundreds
of billions this means pulsars are exceedingly
rare compared to actual stars. There are only a
couple thousand pulsars found in our galaxy.

3. Pulsars have extraordinarily powerful
magnetic fields. Some are measured to be well
into the 10^15 Gauss, which is incredible as
opposed to the polar magnetic field strength
of the largest star in our system (the Sun) of only
1-2 Gauss. This is 1,000,000,000,000,000 times
stronger than the Sun!

4. Pulsars are really small some only a couple
miles in diameter. Stars are many thousands of
miles in diameter.

5. When pulsars die they eject their material so
that stars can form this is understood by 21st
century scientists as galaxy formation. When
stars die they cool and shrink becoming what is
called a "planet".

6. Pulsars resemble superconducting magnetic
storage mechanisms. Stars resemble large
cohesive thermodynamic dissipative events.

7. Pulsars are embryonic galaxies. Stars
surround a dying pulsar (aging galaxy).

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

If anything its pulsars (embryonic galaxies) that EU should be looking at. NOT stars. Stars are radiating collapsing dust clouds that cool and shrink becoming what are called "planets".

I mean look at this video! You can't convince me this is a star!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEVo-LkDrQ

Sure it is radiant, but what causes it to radiate is probably vastly different in mechanism than a "star". Embryonic galaxies are vastly more energetic than stars. When these things go off they create entire galaxies.

Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Here is an assortment of pulsar sounds...: http://youtu.be/gb0P6x_xDEU

I don't know what these things are. :? Possibly electric in nature. :?

here are some planet and moon waves that have been converted to audio.
http://youtu.be/ToXaNUjNfS4

It would be interesting to see the actual signals being received.

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Since this is probably aimed at me and EU I'm going to comment on it:

http://dealingwithcreationisminastronomy.blogspot.com/2014/07/those-crazy-scientific-theories.html

Notice how he mentions NOTHING about planet formation. Oopppss.

It's the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Who cares about black holes or big bang creationism (which is incredibly ironic how he supports creationism when his site is suppose to expose creationism)?

Explain how the GROUND came to be! I don't care what caused its fissures, or craters or mountains, all I want to know is how the hell ROCKS clumped together absent:

1. a heat source
2. outside a gravitating body
3. pressure
4. charged material
5. without mechanism for angular momentum loss (given it formed from a big disk)

This is what their accepted nebular hypothesis does, ignore mechanisms for rock formation (liquid or solid) and just ridicule those who question it. No wonder they are lost in the sauce!

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Sparky wrote:
Here is an assortment of pulsar sounds...: http://youtu.be/gb0P6x_xDEU

I don't know what these things are. :? Possibly electric in nature. :?

here are some planet and moon waves that have been converted to audio.
http://youtu.be/ToXaNUjNfS4

It would be interesting to see the actual signals being received.
Definitely electrical in nature, I proposed that they are actually giant superconducting magnetic energy storage mechanisms or just "embryonic galaxies". They store incredible amounts of energy in the form of magnetic fields which slowly are amplified as the object gets stronger and bigger. Eventually the magnetic fields of the object get so great that it ejects itself from a galaxy and starts spewing out material in vast amounts.

In other words, a pulsar is not a star at all. Its something else entirely. I think it is the core to a baby galaxy before it grows arms and matures.

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

I can falsify the standard solar model in easy to understand language:

1. Standard solar model has the Sun being in thermodynamic equilibrium with its environment, this is called LTE or Local Thermodynamic equilibrium.

A. If this were true the Sun would have a temperature of its environment of around 2-4 Kelvin.

B. The Sun has a surface temperature of 5,778 Kelvin.


Conclusion, the Sun is far from thermodynamic equilibrium with its environment, and thus is not in LTE or Local Thermodynamic Equilibrium.

If the standard solar model were correct, then the surface of the Sun would be colder than Pluto, which is on average 44 Kelvin. The temperature of the Sun is observed to be vastly higher than its environment, thus the standard solar model is wrong and needs to be thrown in the trash. The simple fact that stars are radiating by massive amounts contradicts the Standard Solar Model.

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

After going though what I've gone though I have come to the conclusion that there are no, "old wise men at the top of the sciences, making sure we don't do anything really dumb".

There are no old wise men at the top of the sciences. It is mob rule.

By the mob, for the mob. Thus genuine thinkers who have original, creative, problem solving capabilities are ridiculed and peer-reviewed (censored by the mob).

It is the truth. It has always been like this. Very valuable lesson really, I hope to share this with others. As a child "science" is NOT what they tell you it is, it is full of bigotry, vanity, pride, lies, deceit, egos, politics, mob rule and nonsense. That is the true nature of "science".

It took me 2 1/2 years to figure this out fully. But then again, I had to unlearn what I was conditioned into believing. The more astute of the readers of this thread will (if they have common sense) come to the same conclusion as I have. Appearances are deceiving.

Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

1. Standard solar model has the Sun being in thermodynamic equilibrium with its environment, this is called LTE or Local Thermodynamic equilibrium.
This premise needs documentation: Here is what I found.
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/the ... ibrium.gif
A. If this were true the Sun would have a temperature of its environment of around 2-4 Kelvin.
I don't understand how you are using LTE.
B. The Sun has a surface temperature of 5,778 Kelvin.
Yes it is that temp somewhere on the sun.
Conclusion, the Sun is far from thermodynamic equilibrium with its environment, and thus is not in LTE or Local Thermodynamic Equilibrium.
Illogical conclusion, as LTE is , "thermal equilibrium - the amount of energy generated equals the amount radiated away." http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/the ... ibrium.gif

Unless I am not understanding that page's info.... :?

D_Archer
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Sparky wrote:
1. Standard solar model has the Sun being in thermodynamic equilibrium with its environment, this is called LTE or Local Thermodynamic equilibrium.
This premise needs documentation: Here is what I found.
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/the ... ibrium.gif
A. If this were true the Sun would have a temperature of its environment of around 2-4 Kelvin.
I don't understand how you are using LTE.
B. The Sun has a surface temperature of 5,778 Kelvin.
Yes it is that temp somewhere on the sun.
Conclusion, the Sun is far from thermodynamic equilibrium with its environment, and thus is not in LTE or Local Thermodynamic Equilibrium.
Illogical conclusion, as LTE is , "thermal equilibrium - the amount of energy generated equals the amount radiated away." http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/the ... ibrium.gif

Unless I am not understanding that page's info.... :?
The problem is with the generated part.

Regards,
Daniel

Sparky
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Yes, Daniel....but give us some slack. Neither you nor I know for sure what is going on.... ;)

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

thermal equilibrium means

temp of body A = temp of body B

The Sun's surface is 5,778 Kelvin

Outer space is 2-4 Kelvin

Thus does

5,778 Kelvin = 2 Kelvin?

No. Thus the idea that stars like the Sun are in thermal equilibrium with their environments or Local Thermodynamic equilibrium is false.

All establishment equations are rooted in that very falsehood. 5,778 Kelvin is NOT 2 Kelvin.

If the sun was in thermal equilibrium with its environment it would not be radiating. It would be colder than the surface of Pluto.

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Sparky wrote:

Illogical conclusion, as LTE is , "thermal equilibrium - the amount of energy generated equals the amount radiated away." http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/the ... ibrium.gif

Unless I am not understanding that page's info.... :?
Thermal equilibrium has absolutely nothing to do with energy generation.

All it means is that Body A matches the temperature of Body B.

Image

The Sun is WAY hotter than outer space.

JeffreyW
Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

the main problem why they do not realize this is because in their "models" they treat the Sun as if it were a body that does not have an environment. In other words, math makes it possible to close the radiating body in a giant celestial box with math equations (assuming it is in LTE) and pretend it doesn't radiate and lose mass to the solar wind and flares.

They isolate the thing with math equations.

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