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Photon Models & Simulations

1. Mathis' Model of Photon Spin
The first image below seems to be the only manner in which photons can have clockwise and counterclockwise spin, as Mathis' theory supposes.

2. MM's Photon Motion Model
A videoclip of his model is at http://milesmathis.com/wave.wmv or http://milesmathis.com/wave.mov. The motion depicted there is similar to a sine wave or cycloid wave motion, as in the middle image of the second illustration, called curtate cycloid.

'13-05-23, 15:28
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

Discussion of Photon Models and Simulation Capabilities
Introduction I found an interesting paper about a mechanical photon experiment lately. I posted excerpts from the NPA paper, "Testing a Mechanical Behavior of Light Reflection" above at NPA Photon Experiment Results. As it shows, the link for the complete paper is at http://www.worldnpa.org/site/abstract/?abstractid=7098~ Simulation Capabilities One of the authors (Eduardo) expressed interest in testing various photon models, so I'll ask about the possibility of simulating: 1. Miles Mathis' photon model; 2. Charles Chandler's plasma nebula model; 3. Wal Thornhill's galactic filaments z-pinch model; 4. tornado and other weather models; 5. and possibly others.

Mathis' Model of Photon Spin
Their paper used a photon model that somewhat resembles that of Miles Mathis, as well as Prof. Philip Kanarev et al. Below I'm listing some quotations from some of Mathis' online papers (at milesmathis.com ), which I plan to edit in order to help understand his model well. I previously provided Eduardo with links to some of Mathis' photon papers, but I thought it would be best to also try to list all of the most relevant statements from his various papers. If anyone else would like to list any statements by Mathis that may be important too, please feel free to do so. The statements are posted at Mathis Photon Model - "http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=10332". I'll try to condense the statements as much as I can and improve the organization of the statements.

Update June 4: I'm adding more of his statements at Photon Models

Mathis' Model of Photon Stacked Spins

  • Basic photon motion is axial spin and forward motion 90o to spin axis.
  • First stacked spin is illustrated above. The photon (red violet) revolves around the center of a spatial sphere (light blue) twice the diameter of the photon, while traveling from left to right in a cycloid wave motion. The side view (in color) shows the wave motion best. Five frames are shown from one wavelength of travel. The Top and Front views help visualize the 3-D motion.
  • I think the second stacked spin makes a similar but longer cycloid wave and the third makes a long helical wave motion.
'13-05-25, 07:58
 
Charles Chandler
Baltimore, MD
 
 
I don't know much about this, but just out of curiosity, how does Mathis answer that "dark night sky" problem (i.e., Olbers' paradox)? Essentially, if every photon ever generated was still in existence, being capable of merely be absorbed and then re-radiated, eventually they would all accumulate, and everything would be radiating brightly — even the thinnest of dust clouds. And yet when not being bathed in the light from our star (i.e., the Sun), we see mostly a dark night sky.
 
I'm of the opinion that photons, as EM waves, can be absorbed and re-radiated, wherein they are converted back-n-forth between Newtonian momentum of charged particles and EM waves. So the amount of energy in the Universe is constant, but how much of it is stored in momentum versus EM waves is variable. But I'm not even sure if that's a complete idea. ;)
'13-05-29, 17:53
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

Olbers' Paradox
Mathis doesn't seem to have anything on his website about Olbers' paradox, but I emailed him the question and maybe he'll answer. Maybe he'll agree that the matter in the universe is finite, which I think is plausible, but I think space has to be infinite, since "boundaries" would have to be further extensions of the universe. He may answer alternatively that most of the photons are infrared or microwave, which may be about as bright at night as in daytime. I don't know if that's the case.

Mathis' Photon Model
Mathis has a videoclip of his model at http://milesmathis.com/wave.wmv or http://milesmathis.com/wave.mov.

Light Pressure Article
In his recent brief post on Photon Spin at http://milesmathis.com/photonspin.pdf he referred to this article, "Orbital momentum of light" at http://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/physics/research/groups/optics~.
The brief article says this.
It has been known since the middle ages that light exerts a radiation pressure. Not so well known is that light also exerts a twist. The intricate nature of this twist was not recognised until the 1990s and we have been working on it ever since. Beyond the fascination of setting microscopic objects into rotation, this orbital angular momentum may hold the key to better communication sensing and imaging systems.
Orbital Angular Momentum (OAM) The phase fronts of light beams in orbital angular momentum (OAM) eigenstates rotate, clockwise for positive OAM values, anti-clockwise for negative values. The phase front with 0 OAM doesn't rotate at all.


Photon Model in Article
Here's an illustration of that photon model: http://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_220068_en.gif

OAM = -1 hbar per photon (right-hand helical phase front)

That's similar to Kanarev's model, I think, but not real similar to Mathis'.

Photon Angular Momentum
In his Photon Spin post, Mathis commented.
What that [] doesn't say explicitly is that this orbital angular momentum OAM must be a real characteristic of light. Otherwise it could not possibly "set (real) objects into rotation," could it? And if that is so, then this new knowledge that Prof. Miles Padgett is admitting must conflict strongly with the current gauge math, which gives photons no mass, no radius, and no real spin. Prof. Padgett says that the OAM may lead to new technology, but he does not tell you that it must overturn the foundations of quantum mechanics. What this real spin does, and must do, is redefine the entire nature of light, leading us to a totally new theory of photons and the photon field. In short, this experimental data is a strong indication of my new theory of photons and charge, which demands that photons must have real spin, real radius, and real mass equivalence.

Photons with Real Properties?
Charles, don't you think it makes sense that photons would have real size, substance and spin in order to have momentum, energy, pressure, and to have an effect on other matter?

'13-05-30, 20:41
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

Mathis Forum Thread
Tom someone started a TB forum thread on Mathis' theory at http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&am~, so I replied privately as follows.

How Photon Et Al Spins Stack
I asked Mathis some questions lately and it got him to thinking about why photon spins stack and he answered in an update to his Superposition paper at the bottom at http://milesmathis.com/super.html. And his answer seemed to make a lot of sense to me, although it also led me to some more questions, which I haven't asked. Mathis is usually very brief in his replies, so it's not much fun to email him, although I enjoy his papers.

Mathis' Idea of Gravity
I didn't care for Mathis' prior theory of an expanding universe as the cause of gravity, but he revised it about a year and a half ago, and now considers spin (I think stacked spins) of the universe to be the cause of gravitation. That revision made his whole model much more plausible to me. I think his theory would be even better by incorporating some of Charles' ideas, such as galaxies being held together by the EM force. I think Charles' theory might also be better if it extended that idea to the entire universe, so that the whole universe is held together by the EM force while the universe is also spinning.

'13-06-04, 13:45
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

Mathis' New Paper on Olbers' Paradox
Mathis did answer the question on Olbers' by writing a new paper. Here's the link:
http://milesmathis.com/olbers.pdf.

'14-06-02, 01:09
 
LongtimeAirman
Yuba City, CA. USA

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Mathis' Model of Photon Stacked Spins

Basic photon motion is axial spin and forward motion 90o to spin axis.

First stacked spin is illustrated above. The photon (red violet) revolves around the center of a spatial sphere (light blue) twice the diameter of the photon, while traveling from left to right in a cycloid wave motion. The side view (in color) shows the wave motion best. Five frames are shown from one wavelength of travel. The Top and Front views help visualize the 3-D motion.

I think the second stacked spin makes a similar but longer cycloid wave and the third makes a long helical wave motion.

Unquote

Greetings,

Give me page and verse saying that the photon spin must be at right angle to the forward motion. This longitudinal spin stabilization, like a rifle bullet, is just one of the many possible spins. If the spin is as you say, how can the spin exert any h-component in a forward collision? 

Why can't the spin can be in any direction?

My favorite photon moves like a Frisbee. Forward or backward release. I aim by aligning the spin toss to a line on the target for maximum power transfer, including the h-component. Or toss it with your way in mind to make floaters - spinning at right angle to gravity. But I'm being just a little less limited than you. There's end over end etcetera. 

Must photon paths be straight? Please tell me if you think they can curve. My discs curve because of air pressure and gravity. There is nothing to cause a photon to curve

Airman

'14-06-02, 15:26
 
Lloyd
St. Louis area

Here are quotes from http://milesmathis.com/strong.html

Once we apply gyroscopic exclusion rules to the spins, we find that each spin must be outside the influence of inner spins. So that, for example, an axial spin of R around the radius must create an x-spin of 2R and a y-spin of 4R and a z-spin of 8R. The four spins can't all be about equivalent axes,

These stacked spins cause the particle's linear motion to wobble, and this wobble is the primary wave. Secondary waves are then created by the relationships of each spin to the other. If we then propose that all spinning particles are emitting a charge field,

 The linear energy of the photon field is the foundational electric field and the angular energy of the photon field is the foundational magnetic field. I say "foundational" because the photon field cannot create electricity or magnetism without the presence of an ion field.

If the first spin is axial, then the second spin must be end-over-end about an x-axis tangent to the sphere. [The x, y and z-spins must be] not only tangent, but orthogonal. The three axes must create the 6 right-angle directions. This explains the relationship of the magnetic field to the electrical field.

'14-06-04, 03:33
 
LongtimeAirman
Yuba City, CA. USA

Thanks Lloyd, but I don't think you have established that charge photons are longitudinally spin stabilized, at right angle to the forward motion. Or equivalently, why would the axis determine the forward direction?


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