This isn't a bidirectional current — it's rotating plasma, CCW in top view, because the left side is coming toward us, and the right side is going away. So this is a "plasma tornado".
PersianPaladin wrote: Who is to say that the Sun is not connected to a galactic circuit just as the Earth is connected to a solar circuit?
All that you've actually identified so far for a terrestrial current is a generalized solar wind, where the incoming particles get deflected toward the poles, and the outgoing particles get sucked out of the poles. That's enough to make the upper atmosphere glow, but that's about it. And if that's all the Sun was, it would be a dark star, with cool-looking auroral displays.
PersianPaladin wrote: Why is the discharge of the Sun maintained? Well, if the Sun's plasmasphere is moving through a weak galactic current filament then the voltage will never be quite equalized between the Sun's Anode discharge and the galactic filaments due to constant movement.
That would have the charges all streaming out of the Sun on just one side. A time-varying magnetic field accelerates charged particles in a specific direction (i.e., perpendicular to the magnetic field).
CharlesChandler wrote: So, without dodging the issue by citing more evidence of electric currents in and around the Sun, can you answer why the currents don't get pinched, and why the brightest aspects of the Sun are not the handful of discrete discharge channels that the anode model "should" predict (if it was true to the implications of its assertions)?
PersianPaladin wrote: This is not a straight forward question to answer given the problems in actually detecting the currents in the vertical about the Sun. Magnetic fields usually give them away, but I've already discussed the complexities and difficulties regarding mapping the fields in both the chromosphere, photosphere and polar regions. Whether the "flux ropes" or "spicules" observed are actually "pinched" currents may or may not be true - but we don't have the sufficient probes to confirm that at present. Just tentative clues.
You don't understand the question. Detecting the evidence of electric currents should be mighty easy. If you're saying that the power from the Sun is from a sustained arc discharge, all you have to do to detect that is to walk outside on a sunny day. And if you're saying that all of that power comes streaming in from the heliopause, the discharge channels should be visible, and the footpoints on the surface of the Sun should be the brightest regions of all. You're thinking of the Sun as a light bulb with electric wires connecting it to a wall socket. The wires don't glow, but once the current passes through the high-resistance tungsten filament, that part lights up nicely. So there you go. But if the current is flowing through plasma, it should be visible, and the footpoints should be bright. Think "plasma lamp", and then wonder why the Sun doesn't look like that. Now, if you were saying that an extremely weak current was flowing in, you could get away with saying that it might be hard to detect. But you can't say that all of the power, or even the majority of it, is coming from an external source, but that such weak currents are difficult to detect, without contradicting yourself.
CharlesChandler
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
Lloyd wrote: I was hopeful that there may be more productive discussion here, but it looks now like there won't be much more from you, Hoz or Daniel, so I expect I'll stop participating here.
I gave it a second chance, but I'm not seeing any difference, so I'm about done here too. Oh well.
PersianPaladin
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
CharlesChandler wrote:
Lloyd wrote: I was hopeful that there may be more productive discussion here, but it looks now like there won't be much more from you, Hoz or Daniel, so I expect I'll stop participating here.
I gave it a second chance, but I'm not seeing any difference, so I'm about done here too. Oh well.
Fair enough.
Although, regarding "solar tornadoes", I will leave you with this to ponder from the environment above our own Earth:-
SOHO spacecraft is able to measure oscillations in the Sun. Trying to understand the idea here, I just want to make sure I am interpreting it correctly. I am having a hard time keeping track of the many models.
So Bill's "Plasmoid Model" seems to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble of liquid plasma with a Plasmoid at the core powering it?
This part doesn't seem logical to me, I have been developing my own model and even though I am not ready to present and it will at this point, get stolen from me, I take the Sun to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble, the Sun, as a Sonoluminescing Bubble would have the Heliosphere as a transparent plasma medium. The photosphere would then be the region of plasma compression achieving near liquid densities. I have been formulating my Solar model as a synthesis of the Anode Model and a Plasma Model of Sonoluminescence. In this theoretical arrangement, the Sun represents the Plasma Core that is found in Sonoluminscence experiments. However, I believe the Solar Envelope of the Sun being the Photosphere etc can be sheathed around a dense iron core creating a synthesis of the two phenomenon.
However, since I appear to be the first person to mention Sonoluminscence as a model for the operations of the Sun, I am just going to stake my claim to the idea now.
Now, my "Solar Electro-Sonoluminscence Model" is currently under development however it is powered externally and the fusion on the Sun can be driven by "standing waves" in the liquid plasma that are partially driven by the incoming power galactic power.
As of right now it is a very rudimentary model, others are free to try and develop it, but it based on Sonoluminescence research re-applied to Heliospheric dynamics through solar system electron density maps but I am not sure I have the resources or time to develop it further. My belief is that the Sun operates on similar mechanics to Sonoluminescence and so I would advocate people doing more research into that.
orrery wrote: SOHO spacecraft is able to measure oscillations in the Sun. Trying to understand the idea here, I just want to make sure I am interpreting it correctly. I am having a hard time keeping track of the many models.
So Bill's "Plasmoid Model" seems to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble of liquid plasma with a Plasmoid at the core powering it?
This part doesn't seem logical to me, I have been developing my own model and even though I am not ready to present and it will at this point, get stolen from me, I take the Sun to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble, the Sun, as a Sonoluminescing Bubble would have the Heliosphere as a transparent plasma medium. The photosphere would then be the region of plasma compression achieving near liquid densities. I have been formulating my Solar model as a synthesis of the Anode Model and a Plasma Model of Sonoluminescence. In this theoretical arrangement, the Sun represents the Plasma Core that is found in Sonoluminscence experiments. However, I believe the Solar Envelope of the Sun being the Photosphere etc can be sheathed around a dense iron core creating a synthesis of the two phenomenon.
However, since I appear to be the first person to mention Sonoluminscence as a model for the operations of the Sun, I am just going to stake my claim to the idea now.
Now, my "Solar Electro-Sonoluminscence Model" is currently under development however it is powered externally and the fusion on the Sun can be driven by "standing waves" in the liquid plasma that are partially driven by the incoming power galactic power.
As of right now it is a very rudimentary model, others are free to try and develop it, but it based on Sonoluminescence research re-applied to Heliospheric dynamics through solar system electron density maps but I am not sure I have the resources or time to develop it further. My belief is that the Sun operates on similar mechanics to Sonoluminescence and so I would advocate people doing more research into that.
This will be found to be the 'closest' imho.There are evidences commensurate with sustaining this approach with regard to the stellar crucibles that have yet to be correlated. The same evidences can be found as relates entire galaxies. There is one other member here who is close to seeing it.
Delighted to hear someone else taking this approach.
justcurious
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
That is really interesting, the Sonoluminescence. I like the idea of an outside force pushing radially inwards on the Sun. Is it similiar to this? plasma holograms.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeqIZyUMDP4 Here is a close-up video of the equipment and the bright balls produced. Laser induced air breakdown (w/sound) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HHJhpStza0
I have been reading a lot of the papers lately, looking for facts and observations of the composition of the solar wind. Most of the papers discussing data gathered from various space probes and satellites use very complex language. And yes, they even refer to magnetic ropes and currents flowing along magnetic lines. They confuse the heck out of me. They also employ a lot of corrections and "math" for my taste. Or maybe it really is that complicated.
One thing that I didn't find discussed much is the Heliospheric Current Sheet (HCS), supposedly the largest "thing" in our solar system. Apparently, this is a current sheet since the B-fields above and below point in opposite directions, classic plasma stuff right? Well if the magnetic fields are pointing radially towards or away from the Sun, that means the currents are circulating (orbiting) around the Sun (rather than in or out). Furthermore, the HCS would extend all the way to the heliopause. Normaly, when we think of a magnetic dipole, like the Earth's, or any simple magnet, we could trace the field lines from one pole to another. In the case of the sun (and entire heliosphere), we seem to have two monoples, which everyone knows, there's no such thing as a magnetic monopole.
The other thing about the solar models discussed on this thread, they don't seem to address the cyclical nature of the Sun. I figure if it's going to be an electrical model, it ought to have some resonating in there, some "AC". Of course, a 22 year cycle RLC model seems at first inconceivable, after all the lowest frequency is 1 Hertz (one cycle per second). But sure enough, someone's done it. ... http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7705004631 It would be based on the Van de Pol oscillator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Pol_oscillator
Regarding anode model criticisms, I found the supporting data lacking (or most probably... I didn't understand it) in order to conclude anything yet. What are the alternatives? The plasmoid? I think it would need to be developed a bit more. Anyways, they're all hypotheses at this stage. I hypothesize that the interior of the Sun is supercool (0 Kelvin), liquid and superconducting
CharlesChandler
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
orrery wrote: I take the Sun to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble.
We acknowledge your claim, and if you PM me with your real name, I'll add this to my list of solar models under consideration. Otherwise, it's just an Internet epiphany being tossed around by people hiding behind screen names, which by definition means that they don't want anything actually attributed to them.
I'd like to suggest that you put together a workgroup of people who might be able to contribute to this idea. You'll have to share credit with them, but it will greatly enhance the quality of the presentation. Maybe Solar would like to join in.
You'll have to produce a document that clearly states your position. Posts on a forum don't really constitute a position. As you gain more information, you'll want to update the document. Just posting more info to a forum doesn't make the idea accessible to others, because nobody is going to piece together your position from so many different posts. Once you have created a document somewhere, then you can repeatedly refer to said document in your forum discussions, so that people know where to find the latest/greatest version.
As concerns the idea itself, I think that it has legs, but it is not without problems. Imploding/exploding shock waves do not start out releasing any more energy than was already there — they just keep stirring it up — so this isn't an energy release mechanism. The light generated in the core will be fully absorbed by the 696 Mm of overlying plasma, and you don't get any net luminosity. So you're not converting the mechanical energy of sound waves into light that propagates outward — this is just another way of thermalizing the sound waves, and eventually, all of the energy in the waves will have been converted to randomized particle motions.
Ah, but it isn't that simple. Due to gravity, the pressure in the core is 2.35 × 1016 N/m2. All by itself, this is insufficient for hydrogen fusion (regardless of what the fusion furnace folks would like to think). But if you throw in an imploding shock wave, especially on a solar scale, you can easily exceed the pressure/temperature necessary for fusion. So now you have an energy release mechanism. Note that this isn't going to produce visible light, because (as noted above) all of the gamma rays will be fully absorbed. But it will produce heat, and I demonstrate elsewhere that supercritical hydrogen produces black-body radiation if heated to the appropriate temperature, and that this can exist close enough to the surface to release BB radiation. (The standard model can't get there, by my model can.) So you have a fusion furnace, but unlike the standard model, you actually have the conditions necessary for fusion, and invoking my model, you get BB radiation as output.
The first big problem with imploding shock wave fusion, in this context, is that it isn't sustainable. An imploding wave will certainly generate a fusion event. This has been proven in table-top experiments. That will create an exploding shock wave. In a spherical container (or in the Sun), the exploding wave will bounce off the container (or the extents of the plasma), and next you have another imploding wave. So it looks like the process will repeat under its own power, or even get more violent, since the energy from the original implosion is preserved, plus you have energy from the fusion event. So this would create a runaway implosion/explosion cycle that would turn the whole thing into a thermonuclear bomb. It might make a supernova, but it won't make a steady-state star. Yet this actually isn't what is going to happen. The reason is that the second imploding shock wave converges on a point where all of the nuclear fuel has already been used up. If the first nuclear event was hydrogen fusion, then when the second event tries to occur, there is less hydrogen there, and more helium. So there is less fuel. There is also a lot of heat there, which means that the plasma will be less dense. So while the runaway thermonuclear reaction is possible, if it doesn't happen, the furnace goes out after just a few cycles.
We'd like to think that there would be a way of getting the fusion by-products out of the core, and getting fresh hydrogen in there, so that the process could continue. Naively we might think that the super-hot plasma in the center would convect upward, and cooler plasma would settle to the bottom, putting new fuel in place for the next implosion. But here we have to consider the significance of the spherical geometry, and how gravity actually behaves at the center. There is no convection at the center of the Sun, because there is no net gravity. So a bubble of super-hot plasma at the very center isn't going to convect "upward", because "upward" is in all directions from there, and the bubble can't decide which way to go. Hence it just sits there. Successive cycles will complete the fusion of all of the hydrogen into helium, and perhaps helium into heavier elements. (This might be how stars manufacture heavy elements, with imploding shock waves, not with supernovae.) But sooner or later, the fuel is used up, and the furnace goes out. As the plasma cools, the elements are sorted by mass, with the heaviest elements at the center, which are harder to fuse into anything heavier. In my model, for the Sun to have an overall density of 1408 kg/m3, I have osmium & platinum in the core, with nickel & iron in the middle, and helium & hydrogen around the outside. Osmium & platinum are 6th period elements, which aren't going to fuse into anything heavier. So it would seem that the fusion furnace went out a long time ago.
Ah, but it still isn't that simple. There is no theoretical limit to the temperature that can be achieved at the center of an imploding shock wave, and while this can create fusion, it might also smash heavy atoms (e.g., osmium & platinum) together with enough force to split them. Then, still under enormous pressure, it fuses them back together again. So now you have both nuclear reactions going on. But will that produce a net energy release?
I don't know the answer to that question, and that's as far as I got with that analysis. In the end, I decided that such mechanisms might be an energy source, but that the net product can only be heat that conducts to the surface, while the actual properties of the Sun cannot be explained just by heat alone. Solar flares, sunspots, granules, differential rotation, and many other characteristics all require an EM model, since they just have no business being there if the Sun is just a nuclear furnace. So I focused on all of that stuff, and neglected core energy sources. But I'd like to suggest that you pursue this line of reasoning. My energy budget, which is all coming from the release of electrostatic potentials, might come up shy in the end, and a realistic nuclear furnace model might be necessary in the complete description of the Sun. If so, and if you're willing to champion the idea, you'll get the credit for it. If I had to guess, the self-defeating mechanisms that I have described might not put the furnace out — they might just regulate it. But you'll have to work that out yourself, because I already have my hands full with the EM model. Cheers!
PersianPaladin
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
CharlesChandler wrote: This isn't a bidirectional current — it's rotating plasma, CCW in top view, because the left side is coming toward us, and the right side is going away. So this is a "plasma tornado".
"most observations (Bonet et al. 2008, 2010) and simulations (Kitiashvili et al. 2011, 2012; Moll et al. 2011, 2012; Shelyag et al. 2011) show downflows in vortex core (socalled "sinkhole") at photosphere height. It is noticed that these research also show signatures for some upflows in the surrounding area of vortex core"
"it should be pointed out that rotating motion revealed from Doppler signal may not necessarily be an indicator for the existence of tornado structure. A "magnetized tornado" refers to rotating magnetic structures or magnetic funnels while plasma flows along static helical flux ropes could generate equivalent Doppler feature" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.0138.pdf
Counter-streaming field-aligned helical filaments at the base of prominence events:-
"the shapes of the observed intensity profiles suggest the presence of, at least, two components at some locations at the edges of the prominence feet. One of them is typically Doppler shifted (up to ∼ 20 km s−1) with respect to the other, thus suggesting the existence of supersonic counter-streaming flows along the line-of-sight" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.6980.pdf
Counter-streaming field-aligned helical filaments in the magnetosphere and ionosphere of Earth:-
"Simultaneously, two equivalent ionospheric current (EIC) vortices with opposite rotation formed (Figure 2). The blue vectors indicate the current direction and intensity. Clockwise and counterclockwise rotations correspond to downward and upward FAC, respectively. Magnetic-field-line mapping shows that the space vortices were conjugate to the EIC vortices." http://www.igpp.ucla.edu/public/THEMIS/ ... ay_09.html
I think it is premature to exclude bi-directional current flow in the spicules of the Sun (which are more numerous at the poles) or in the groups of solar tornadoes which seem to form mostly at the poles - along with the generally higher magnetic field there over a typical solar cycle.
CharlesChandler wrote: All that you've actually identified so far for a terrestrial current is a generalized solar wind, where the incoming particles get deflected toward the poles, and the outgoing particles get sucked out of the poles. That's enough to make the upper atmosphere glow, but that's about it. And if that's all the Sun was, it would be a dark star, with cool-looking auroral displays.
Actually, I haven't. I stated that to maintain an Anode discharge in the photosphere of the Sun - you don't need much incoming current particularly outside the DL regions close to the Sun. It will be hard to detect. Scott's model shows the current increasing in strength even as it's entering the pole and heading towards the equator due to transformer effects and magnetic induction producing secondary loop currents under the photosphere.
CharlesChandler wrote: That would have the charges all streaming out of the Sun on just one side. A time-varying magnetic field accelerates charged particles in a specific direction (i.e., perpendicular to the magnetic field).
But such stars, as Wal Thornhill says - are cathode discharges occurring as a result of electrical capture of a star by a larger star nearby. The charges streaming out of these discharges are also the result of interactions with solar wind particles. An Anode Sun discharge with respect to the lower potential of interstellar space in our galaxy would produce the sort of heliospheric morphology that we observe - and given the size of the discharge, I doubt winds in the galactic plane would create much of a bow-shock or magnetotail structure given the sheer size and strength of the solar magnetic field. Planets with weak magnetic fields tend to have longer magnetotails. Also, you really need to think about my analogy with respect to the reason comets do discharge with respect to the voltage of our Sun. Current is flowing in both directions from cometary jets including those that are sunward (http://epoxi.umd.edu/3gallery/20101104_Sunshine4.shtml). Why isn't electric current from the Sun detectable across interplanetary space into the comet's nuclei? Heck, it has caused some of these comets to brighten by a factor of over a million and even explode. Where are the incoming currents to power the discharge? It's because of the nature of plasma and the distribution of where DL's and breakdown occurs. I'm saying that the Sun was created a long time ago and thrust quickly into a very different and lower-potential voltage environment.
CharlesChandler wrote: You don't understand the question. Detecting the evidence of electric currents should be mighty easy. If you're saying that the power from the Sun is from a sustained arc discharge, all you have to do to detect that is to walk outside on a sunny day. And if you're saying that all of that power comes streaming in from the heliopause, the discharge channels should be visible, and the footpoints on the surface of the Sun should be the brightest regions of all. You're thinking of the Sun as a light bulb with electric wires connecting it to a wall socket. The wires don't glow, but once the current passes through the high-resistance tungsten filament, that part lights up nicely. So there you go. But if the current is flowing through plasma, it should be visible, and the footpoints should be bright. Think "plasma lamp", and then wonder why the Sun doesn't look like that. Now, if you were saying that an extremely weak current was flowing in, you could get away with saying that it might be hard to detect. But you can't say that all of the power, or even the majority of it, is coming from an external source, but that such weak currents are difficult to detect, without contradicting yourself.
What if the discharge channels are visible - and they're comprised of the spicules that you see in the chromosphere as well as the various flux currents in the photosphere? Most of the incoming charge to maintain the DL will be at the poles, but it would also enter the Sun at all dimensions along with the complex internal currents generated by the plasma. What could explain the solar cycles and variability? An open question - but this could involve the Heliospheric Current Sheet or changes in the electric potential of the region that the Sun is passing through.
PersianPaladin
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
orrery wrote: SOHO spacecraft is able to measure oscillations in the Sun. Trying to understand the idea here, I just want to make sure I am interpreting it correctly. I am having a hard time keeping track of the many models.
So Bill's "Plasmoid Model" seems to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble of liquid plasma with a Plasmoid at the core powering it?
This part doesn't seem logical to me, I have been developing my own model and even though I am not ready to present and it will at this point, get stolen from me, I take the Sun to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble, the Sun, as a Sonoluminescing Bubble would have the Heliosphere as a transparent plasma medium. The photosphere would then be the region of plasma compression achieving near liquid densities. I have been formulating my Solar model as a synthesis of the Anode Model and a Plasma Model of Sonoluminescence. In this theoretical arrangement, the Sun represents the Plasma Core that is found in Sonoluminscence experiments. However, I believe the Solar Envelope of the Sun being the Photosphere etc can be sheathed around a dense iron core creating a synthesis of the two phenomenon.
However, since I appear to be the first person to mention Sonoluminscence as a model for the operations of the Sun, I am just going to stake my claim to the idea now.
Now, my "Solar Electro-Sonoluminscence Model" is currently under development however it is powered externally and the fusion on the Sun can be driven by "standing waves" in the liquid plasma that are partially driven by the incoming power galactic power.
As of right now it is a very rudimentary model, others are free to try and develop it, but it based on Sonoluminescence research re-applied to Heliospheric dynamics through solar system electron density maps but I am not sure I have the resources or time to develop it further. My belief is that the Sun operates on similar mechanics to Sonoluminescence and so I would advocate people doing more research into that.
It's an elegant idea, and I welcome and respect the thought process. But it seems that it would require a periodic change in size of an amplitude that is not detectable in our Sun:- http://www.space.com/8405-sun-unchangin ... tists.html
orrery
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
CharlesChandler wrote:
orrery wrote: I take the Sun to be a Sonoluminescing Bubble.
We acknowledge your claim, and if you PM me with your real name, I'll add this to my list of solar models under consideration. Otherwise, it's just an Internet epiphany being tossed around by people hiding behind screen names, which by definition means that they don't want anything actually attributed to them.
You only don't know who I am because you never come to our Facebook groups!
In any case, the liquid plasma sonoluminescence thing is something I have been working on for a while and am concentrating on the overlap with Robitaille's work as suggested by Crothers.
PersianPaladin
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
Some may object to me trying to examine the discharge of the Sun with respect to the behaviour of comets (even though I point out the distinction between their cathode discharge and the Sun), but I'm doing it regardless. Wal Thornhill writes:-
"Recent images of comet Wild 2 have also revealed unexplained "bright spots" or "hot spots." From an Electric Universe point of view, these are the sparks where electric currents from the Sun impinge on the more negatively charged nucleus of the comet" http://www.thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf
Again, these arcs have appeared on all sides of comets and are connected with jets emanating at great distances.
The tremendous flash (overwhelming sensors for a time) was brighter than expected from the collision of the "Deep Impact" probe.
The basic question is to ask is - where are the electric currents from the Sun (that Wal refers to) which power these arc discharges? Perhaps it would be good to send a craft tooled with the respective Langmuir Probes to measure the position of the DL's in the coma and just above the nucleus of comets.
Now, if we look at planet Earth - we have seen some very high ampere readings for the electric currents that apparently enter the ionosphere via field-aligned current vortices. Why doesn't our ionosphere glow as bright as an arc discharge as a result? Well, the answer is that the current-density is too low for an arc-discharge despite the very large electric currents flowing through the sheaths. Right near the chromosphere of the Sun and lower corona - the prominences and solar flares and CME's are often bright and highly energetic discharges which eject electrons ions and protons outward at tremendous speed as a result of a powerful electric field. However, the charged particles start to spread out and although they comprise of a very large amount of electric potential in total - the density of charge is just too low by the time they enter the Earth's magnetosphere.
So, I am saying that the Sun's photospheric arc discharge with a temperature between 5k-6K is quite low and doesn't require a large amount of total current. But it does require a high current-density, which is the same as what is required in the arcs, bright spots and jets observed in comet nuclei. Of course, the Sun is an Anode discharge but the basic principle is similar. The body of the Sun is plasma and conducts a lot better than the nuclei of a comet - allowing incoming charge to be rapidly distributed more widely, hence why there is anode tufting and chromospheric jets across almost the entire surface. The Sun being formed a long time ago from EM processes in a large filament followed by (possibly) electrostatic accretion processes. It's discharging because it is still trying to adjust to the lower potential of its surroundings.
I think we are probably over-complicating our models here and becoming too narrow-focussed. Instead we should try and widen our field of view with respect to how things operate out there.
EDIT - Of course, if Charles rejects the Electric Comet theory totally, then I believe it's a waste of time trying to convince him to re-read the .PDF I cited or watch the respective videos done by TBP.
orrery
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
I know that we like to think of the Sun as a perfect sphere, but there is a liquid plasma layer above the surface of the Sun that has very distinct oscillatory behavior that can be measured by SOHO and then that motion can be exaggerated to reveal a very distinct resonant behavior.
These oscillations occur on the liquid plasma layer of the sun at very distinct resonant frequencies. Some scientists call this "The Singing Sun"
Now, I will contend that this is part of a double layer interface. With the solar cycles reflecting resonant frequencies resulting from planetary orbits like Jupiter. The Anode characteristics of the Sun build the plasma layer of the Sun.
Anyways, based on Paladin's remark I believe there may be a misunderstanding. Sonoluminescene isn't being used on some gigantic scale causing the whole Sun to implode. These effects merely occur at the double layer region in the photosphere and are driven by the anode Sun. As 3D Cellular Automata the liquid plasma layer forms in a double layer around the anode and the resonant oscillations between the heliosphere and the anode drive a sonoluminscence mechanism on the photosphere. This rapid expansion & compression results in a highly dense liquid plasma sonoluminiscence phenomenon. Although this rapid expansion & compression is not easily visible, it doesn't require the whole sun to implode. Compared to the radius of the Sun, these phenomenon occur only on scales relevant to the plasma bubbles themselves and can be a rapid compression of the plasma caused by very minor micro oscillations with the interface between the anode & the heliosphere.
The Heliosphere is the Bubble, simulating the water bubble. The anode is organizing the plasma into the sonoluminescent reaction region at the double layer boundary.
(i am totally on my work computer and will need to get home to get my pretty graphics together)
PersianPaladin
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
That actually does look interesting orrery. I'll need to take quite a long look through it though before I can address it properly.
Siggy_G
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
CharlesChandler wrote:
PersianPaladin wrote: Who is to say that the Sun is not connected to a galactic circuit just as the Earth is connected to a solar circuit?
All that you've actually identified so far for a terrestrial current is a generalized solar wind, where the incoming particles get deflected toward the poles, and the outgoing particles get sucked out of the poles. That's enough to make the upper atmosphere glow, but that's about it. And if that's all the Sun was, it would be a dark star, with cool-looking auroral displays.
Charles,
Imagine a sphere at 1 AU (a radius of about 215 solar radii). Then imagine the much smaller sphere at 1 to 10 solar radii. According to the model, the current density and potential drop is much higher at the inner region. The "auroral displays" are surely seen around the entire Sun. This interaction region is labelled the corona, including its current loops. The auroral effect is clearly differently configured here than on Earth, since the Sun is a spherical focal object for the entire heliosphere, whilst the Earth picks up almost linearly bypassing particles in a tiny thin spherical section from the Sun (and then redirected toroidally towards the poles).
The pin points of the highly numerous current branches are generally manifested as faculae and granules closer to the solar surface. Sun spots are likely traces of rifts and infalling matter in the aftermath of stronger sub-surface discharges.
justcurious
Re: The Anode Sun Vs The Plasmoid Model
Helioseismology, fascinatuing stuff! Thanks for the links and info!
