Re: Possible projects for electric universe citizen scientists
aristotlejones wrote: Have you see this Daily Planet video on a kid who made tornadoes in his garage?
I hadn't seen that one, but I've seen others like it. Vortexes like that are easy to create. Yet the defining characteristic of a tornado is that the lowest pressure, tightest radius, and fastest wind speeds occur at the ground level. Such a vortex has never been reproduced in the laboratory with realistic conditions. This is what I hope to accomplish, by introducing realistic EM factors.
CharlesChandler
Re: Possible projects for electric universe citizen scientis
[This was in another post on the NIAMI forum, but it should appear here as well.]
This is all going to come down to the data, and another project I'm working on might help. I have been discussing my EM theory of the Seneca Guns with one of the leading experts, and with one of his graduate students. When I presented my reasons for thinking that the "Guns" are electrostatic discharges, and we started talking about instrumentation that could pick up the EMPs to prove it, one of them suggested that we could create a huge array of magnetometers just using iPhones, which have built-in magnetometers. (That's how iPhones know which way is up — they're using GPS to determine the location, and then the Earth's magnetic field to determine the X/Y/Z orientation at that location.) So now we have a person running an iPhone app that will register the EMP (if present) the next time she hears one of the booms.
The same app could be used to register electric currents associated with volcanoes, earthquakes, and tornadoes. Currently, funding for the study of EM in these phenomena is hard to get. But there are a lot of iPhones out there, and the general public might be able to collect an overwhelming volume of data proving the presence of electric currents in these phenomena, totally bypassing the funding gate-keepers. This could lead to theoretical breakthroughs that would not have been possible otherwise. It might also lead to valuable predictive strategies.
For example, we know that earthquakes are accompanied by EM field changes, but the data are sparse, and the EM signature of an impending quake has not been isolated. This is because there are only a few stations (all in Japan) picking up the fields, and they have to wait years for a quake to occur within range. But what if every time there is a quake, we get hundreds of readings from iPhones in the area? We might spot the pattern right away with enough data. The next step would be to stream the data into a central server that could detect the signature in real time, and then ring all of the phones in the area to alert them. This might only yield an extra minute of lead time, but that would be worth a lot. People just have to get out of the buildings and onto the streets to keep safe, so that extra minute would save a lot of lives.
As concerns tornadoes, prediction as well as verification could benefit. If tornadoes are electromagnetic, we need to look at how well-organized the EM structure of the storm is, to get more reliable warnings. But verifying that there is a tornado on the ground is just as important. People in Tornado Alley don't take the warnings all that seriously, because they get so many of them. But a confirmed report of a tornado on the ground is taken very seriously. The problem is that if the tornado is rain-wrapped (which is typical for the most powerful tornadoes), or if it occurs at night-time, nobody is going to see it, and since tornadoes don't show up on radar, that means no confirmed reports at all. But what if there are 100 people within a couple of kilometers of the tornado running the iPhone magnetometer app? The magnetic signature of a tornado is very distinctive, so this will tell us that there is a tornado on the ground, where it is, which direction it's headed, and how powerful it is. And we could ring the phones of the people in harm's way, to tell them which direction to head to get out of the way.
So yes, it's all about the data, and in geophysics, we're fixing on getting a whole lot more of it. If I'm right, this will enable breakthroughs in the study of tornadoes, volcanoes, earthquakes, and even the Seneca Guns. The value of the EM paradigm will be hard to miss at that point.
The coolest thing about this is that it will engage the general public in the discovery process. I think that they'll like it.
justcurious
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Nereid wrote: As far as I know, no one has organised any EU projects for citizen scientists; hence this thread.
Mike H and I briefly discussed one such possible project here, the re-running of Peratt's PIC simulations, and extending them to include star formation.
Regarding Peratt's simulations, the source code is included in his textbook. Albeit it is source code meant to run on a cray supercomputer.
I have been taking courses on statistics and machine learning, and was thinking about running some algorithms through the massive amounts of data available from satellites and radio telescopes to enhance observation and possibly come up with some insights and better yet, predictions. If anyone has any ideas of what kind of data to cross reference would be nice. For example, combining data from earthquakes, telluric currents and solar flares or solar cycles, Or perhaps mapping out or predicting electric circuits and Birkeland currents (most of which are not observable in the visible light range). In short, applying modern Big Data techniques to learning and enhancing knowledge related to the electric nature of the universe.
pavlink
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Sift through existing and publicly available IR surveys.
That might turn out some "needles in the haystack".
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I plan to take this free course which starts in January: https://www.coursera.org/course/analyze There is some big bang dark doodoo theory BS but a large part of the course is focused on analysing raw data from satellites and so on. So that should help with the data sources, where, how etc.... it's always easier when someone else who has already done it shows you how.I'll do my own interpeting f the data of course, should beinteresting. Pavlink, I wouldn't know what to look for regarding binary star systems. I don't even understand what the big fuss is about. There are mostly binary star systems, even triplets, and some are solo, so what?
pavlink
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justcurious wrote: Pavlink, I wouldn't know what to look for regarding binary star systems. I don't even understand what the big fuss is about. There are mostly binary star systems, even triplets, and some are solo, so what?
As a start , consider that official science does not see most of them as doubles. Even the closest ( officially ) Bernard and Proxima are obvious doubles, yet that is not acknowledged.
IR surveys show us a star system even closer to Sun. Maybe, just around 1 light year away from the Sun. With orbital period of a few years. We have IR photos of complete orbital cycle of the double just for the time there are IR astronomy.
This is unique opportunity to peak into star evolution and powering circuitry.
And who knows what others "jewels" are waiting for an inquisitive mind.
justcurious
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Are you suggesting that there are stars only visible in the IR? Like a dark glow Birkeland current? That would be one heck of a revelation.
ElecGeekMom
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justcurious wrote: I plan to take this free course which starts in January: https://www.coursera.org/course/analyze There is some big bang dark doodoo theory BS but a large part of the course is focused on analysing raw data from satellites and so on. So that should help with the data sources, where, how etc.... it's always easier when someone else who has already done it shows you how.I'll do my own interpeting f the data of course, should beinteresting. Pavlink, I wouldn't know what to look for regarding binary star systems. I don't even understand what the big fuss is about. There are mostly binary star systems, even triplets, and some are solo, so what?
Interesting! I just signed up for this course. Maybe I can learn how to make some use of the earthquake and solar activity data I've been accumulating for several years.
CharlesChandler
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ElecGeekMom wrote: Maybe I can learn how to make some use of the earthquake and solar activity data I've been accumulating for several years.
Just recently I pulled together some numbers on earthquakes, volcanoes, and the Seneca Guns, compared to the yearly/monthly tidal cycles. Volcanoes and Seneca Guns definitely show a yearly and monthly cycle. Earthquakes are a bit more ambivalent. Eventually, I also want to do this analysis on tornadoes and hurricanes, and then I'd like to throw in the solar cycle and CME occurrences. We should definitely collaborate.
justcurious
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@Charles & ElectricGeekMom...
I'm really interested in pursuing this type of data analysis with you guys since you are already familiar with the data and sources and have dome some analysis yourselves. I suggest starting small and having some sort of goal for instance predicting earthquakes or hurricanes (for example). In my mind predictions are gold. I'm still working on accumulating the required knowledge and should be ready in January. Please PM me for my personal email address and for further detailed discussions and game plans.
GeekMom: It's great tat you're taking the course as well, nice to know that someone else with a common interest will be enrolled, so hopefully we can share some notes and so on.
pavlink
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justcurious wrote: Are you suggesting that there are stars only visible in the IR? Like a dark glow Birkeland current? That would be one heck of a revelation.
brown dwarfs
CharlesChandler
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justcurious wrote: Please PM me for my personal email address and for further detailed discussions and game plans.
Rather than working in emails, I'd prefer to do it all on my website, where others can see what we're doing. A number of other people would likely contribute, in one form or another. (I get all of my ideas from other people...) My site enables discussions, as well as posting documents, tabular data, source code, etc.
There are other ways that we can do this, and email exchanges are one of them. It's just that once you get so many email discussions going, it's hard to keep track of all of them. Anyway, let us know your thoughts.
justcurious
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Hi Charles. It sounds like a great idea, but it's not a style that suits me. I prefer a more focused goal-oriented approach, and then sharing the findings (even if preliminary) afterwards for discussions. I'm also not a fan of excessive email exchanges. What can I say, I'm old school, I enjoy a good old fashioned conversation, face to face is even better (skype is OK). You can count on me sharing any interesting findings from my machine learning right here on the thunderbolts. If you have some specific data sources and intuitive insights I could include them in my project. BTW your idea about the smartphones is good, I had thought about the same a few years ago. The smartphones are loaded with various sensors. But you need to convince millions of people to download your app to get any data, which may be freely and publicly available anyways (from high quality instruments).
