Some highlights from Cook's chapter 15 (my paraphrasing), The Era of the Gods
European barrows are an enigma still. They are not full-on crypts or mass graves or even a depository for bones of a reign of kings. However, they are clearly associated with burial chambers, because some bones were found. There were no food remains or other signs of residence. Much later single barrows may have evolved into simple burial mounds without relationship to any of the planetary alignments spelled out below.
Cook points out that the earliest barrows were oriented to the south, toward the area where the 3 southern plasmoids sat in space. In a later period, barrows were oriented toward the north Atlantic.
Cook conjectures that the earliest barrows were constructed in imitation of the shape of the plasmoids. These were seen to have various chambers, and so this was the layout inside the barrow as well.
The southern sky was the place of the underworld, also the location of the Duat-Absu, which were the planetary rings for a time. This was the place the Egyptians saw as the abode of the afterlife. So too would the people of the early barrows.
Later barrows were pointed northward toward the planetary conjunction and its plasma field after the Duat-Absu fell. Cook likes to call one aspect of this plasma phenomenon the vapor dome, because of a watery disturbance where electrical arcing took place around the Hudson Bay. Some of this relates specifically to Mars descending and causing this extra disturbance. Somewhere along the line, the British Isles were considered the land of the dead, or similar. These barrow builders, at least in Britain, appear not to be resident in the area, but from somewhere else….or so the story goes.
Henges are another matter. These raised, vertical stones may have been a type of lightning rod. Cook talks about the phenomenon of St. Elmo's fire, and how it appears as a blue flame on mountaintops and other pointy places. As electrical disturbance increases, this type of dancing plasma flame could be seen all over the place, particularly on henges!
So how about considering a reason for henges other than the usual thought of providing astronomical alignments? How about the purpose of focusing electrical energy through them? Imagine the display!
This makes me wonder what the purpose would be? Cook doesn't speculate. I speculate that it had some benefit that could be harnessed, from helping soil and seed fertility, to creating a place of physical healing, or maybe contributing somehow to an intelligence and consciousness upgrade. Getting zapped for a period of time seems to be a benefit to many living organisms. These henges had to be something more than a set for a wild party. My speculation entirely….
Tying this together is the most awesome part, because it involves Mars. It is based on the rising and falling of this planet between Earth and Saturn. This happened multiple times according to Cook. When it descended, the electrical connection would increase and this is where you'd see St. Elmo's fire start revving up. The other aspect to this Mars visitation is a bit more macabre. This is the god coming down in its maelstrom form, wanting its sacrifice, otherwise it would come closer and closer to Earth and waste everybody. You can have that vision or you can have the more heartening vision of the god coming down to receive the dead and transport them up to heaven as he left to return to Saturn. Perhaps the barrows with their interred bones of society's honored leaders were ready to be lifted to the promised land, and Mars wasn't really wanting its pound of flesh. Your pick….
More on Mars and its 10 frequent and predictable visits for 300 years at the beginning of the third millennium BCE in a later next post.
Better to read Cook and get the real download yourself and see if you believe it from his pen (or is it his fingers?). Maybe a case of St. Jno's fire….
Since my last post on this thread I re-read his Appendix J on the Expanding Earth theories and it appears Jno accepts the reality of a growing Earth. My mistake, sorry...He cites S.Warren Carey as an early proponent of internal planetary mass increase as well. More reading to do.
Lloyd
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
Earth Shape-Shifting, Not Expansion * Cardona has said that Earth has both expanded and contracted and Fred Jueneman has considered that both occurred simultaneously due to shape-shifting, from prolate (oval) to spherical. When Earth was close to Saturn, following in its wake, it was apparently squeezed by the magnetic field into an oval shape, as Peratt had diagrammed the magnetic field in one of his papers. When that magnetic field was reduced or removed, gravity was then able to pull the elongated poles down into the spherical shape, contracting the poles and expanding the equator, thus causing the appearance of continental drift. Actually, it appears that some continental sliding also occurred; i.e. the Americas broke off of the supercontinent and ran into the Pacific expansion ridge, leaving the Atlantic expansion ridge behind them (the Americas). * If this is correct, then there's no need to account for a magical source for mere expansion, i.e. no need for the Earth to have been injected with anything to cause it to expand. Instead, only parts of it expanded by contracting other parts.
ElecGeekMom
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
[quote="Andrew"]Barrows, Henges, and Mars
Getting zapped for a period of time seems to be a benefit to many living organisms. These henges had to be something more than a set for a wild party. My speculation entirely….
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Heh. . . I was zapped as an infant or toddler. It is my earliest memory. It was the old hairpins-into-the-wall-socket story. All I remember is sitting on the floor next to a wall socket, putting hairpins into the two holes. Then I remember doing a backward somersault and seeing grown-ups come running into the house through the back door. I'm sure I was wailing.
Andrew
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
Cook has a lot to say about the various catastrophic floods that the Earth experienced, first the Black Sea flood in 5600 BCE, then the world wide flood experienced in 3147 BCE at the end of the "era of the gods", and the third Noachian flood from the sky, in 2349 BCE that marked the fall of the Absu (the earth's rings) when Venus hurled its plasmoid.
In his words: "The "flood of Noah" happened as the Earth's orbit increased and is joined by the Moon on the Moon's established orbit. The result is that the Moon revolves around the Earth in a plane tilted up at about 5 degrees (as seen from Earth) — not on the Earth's equator. I suspect (from the records presented as sculptures at Maya Palenque) that the Moon did not fall into a regular orbit until 2283 BC, some 50 years after it first appeared. The Chinese Shu King claims it took 30 years.
A correlation of Biblical events to known dates was attempted by James Bishop Ussher in AD 1650 and still stands as a classic work. Ussher dates the start of the "Universal Flood of Noah" at 2349 BC and the end at 2348 BC."
and how about another original view:
"Adam is the lonely globe of Saturn in the sky. God — the God outside of creation — takes pity on him and creates a woman for him by extracting a rib and subsequently healing the wound. This is clearly the image of the expulsion of Venus from the side of Saturn, still connected with a rib-like plasma appendage. The image was common to the experience of all the tribes of the Eastern Mediterranean, but the interpretation by Moses was unique."
Cook's chapters are very readable and are eye opening, to say the least. IMO, it is best to keep an open mind with his work. At the beginning of this chapter 19 he discusses Jayne's The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. He offers some very interesting observations on how the earliest cultures approached and recorded their experiences. Today, living with a different type of subjective consciousness, we are hard pressed to understand their motivations. However, it is an important exercise for any of us wishing to recreate the past.
Lloyd
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
Andrew, does Cook have his series of events listed in a table or something like this? I got this from your previous post. Are there other events to add to these? 5600 BCE Black Sea flood 3147 BCE world wide flood at the end of the "era of the gods" (2349 to 2348 BC Ussher dates the "Universal Flood of Noah") 2349 BCE third Noachian flood from the sky that marked the fall of the Absu (the earth's rings) when Venus hurled its plasmoid. 2323 BC Moon first appeared 2283 BC Moon fell into a regular orbit [around Earth]
Andrew
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
Lloyd,
Cook has worked out a number of other events involving Mars, Venus and Jupiter occurring after the main breakup. I hope to point to these in later posts.
Uranus and Neptune appear to have vacated the inner solar system upon the breakup, and never had any later interfering orbits with any other planets. Uranus and Neptune are evidenced as part of the Saturnian stack in the early 'Venus' figurines. (I referred to this in an earlier post)
Mercury has its own story, which I still need to understand better. Cook differs greatly compared to Talbott and Cardona in the role of Venus and Mercury. Cook talks extensively about Jupiter, the midnight sun. There seems to be a great deal of information available about the role of Jupiter, despite others making little mention of it.
Mars had a history of Earth visitations during the era of the gods. It also had a later series of 10 visitations to Earth, occurring roughly every 30 years, and ending 2750 BCE. Thus, Saturn must have still been around then if I understand his material correctly.
Cook has Saturn's main period of rule from 4200 to 3147 BCE. Quoting Cook, "In 3147 BC, the home of the Gods was attacked by Jupiter, the Bull of Heaven.", which led to the breakup.
Venus was a later periodic visitor, but was supposedly absent from any drama until 800 years after 3147 BCE when it caused the Absu to fall in 2349 BCE. It then started showing up every 52 years for a cycle of visits.
This is a quote from Cook:
"Book 10 of the Maya Chilam Balam infers seven approaches by Venus since 3147 BC. I can easily locate four of these to 2349 BC, 1492 BC, 1440 BC, and an appearance which looked like a "close approach" in 776 BC. Considering the 156-year span of time between the "flood of Noah" in 2349 BC and the 2193 BC agricultural failure of Akkad, Egypt, China, and probably Harappa, the remaining three approaches by Venus could then be placed after 2349 BC at 2297, 2245, and 2193 BC with some confidence."
There's much more material, especially when we get to the the first millenia BCE when the last impacts of Venus and Mars occurred. I am astounded at how much was going on in the heavens after the main Saturn configuration ended. Cook has done some amazing research in an area that is poorly understood by others. He bases much of his dates found in the Chilam Balam and Popul Vuh.
Lloyd
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
Andrew, I think the first thing that should be done is to get a table made up of all of Cook's events in chronological order, which would provide an easier-to-understand overview of his model. I made a similar table for Cardona's model and I think it helps a lot to understand it. I don't know if I'll get time for that, but I hope you may like to do it, or anyone else.
There are several other theories around too. Gary Gilligan gets some of the ideas for his model from John Ackerman's model, which has Mercury as the former core of Mars. (Ackerman is a satellite scientist.) I think he says the core melted and was extracted from the area of the large canyon, Vallis Marineris, which I think so far is very unlikely. Ackerman also has Jupiter involved instead of Saturn, I think, as the planet where Venus came from. He says it came from Jupiter's Great Red Spot. I'm skeptical of much of Ackerman's model, but I think he explains the conditions on Venus extremely well. He says the high pressure is only in Venus' lower atmosphere, due to the presence of sulfur erupting high into the atmosphere from many volcanoes all over the planet. He says the crust is very thin and once the vulcanism reduces enough the atmosphere will be much like Earth's in the distant past.
We're probably lucky to have so many good models to choose from. Each one probably has a number of correct features, which would make coming up with the correct overall model easier. Some of the more interesting-to-me models include those of Cardona, Talbott, Thornhill, Peratt, Ackerman, Gilligan, Cook and Velikovsky. There are probably several others that I may think of later.
Andrew
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
Lloyd, yes it would be a good idea to detail a chronology of major events, since Cook hasn't created a master list. On the other hand, encountering such a list could feel a bit monolithic and a stumbling block for those just beginning to read his material. Sometimes it's better to encounter such detail in the context of other information. Going head to head on the basis of chronology is not necessarily a good starting point.
In a previous e-mail to me, Cook suggested that a number of other scholars could use a wider airing here on Thunderbolts and elsewhere. He mentioned: Gary Gilligan, deGrazia, vd Sluij, Malmstrom, Patten and Windsor. Also something about Michael Armstrong should be selling their books.
Andrew
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
The main impact I get from Cook's work, is the vastness of it. He is also willing to detail many of the Earth's catastrophic events after the breakup of the Saturnian system at "the end of the 'era of the gods' in 3147 BCE. "
This is where few other people have tread. For some reason, this history has not been thoroughly tackled by the Thunderbolts crew. Perhaps it's because this is Velikovsky territory and has a checkered history, and is best left undisturbed so as to focus on the "more important" Electric Universe theory and accompanying Saturn polar configuration. Cook is however, up to the challenge…
After spending a goodly amount of time with his material, I think the reason for many people's arms length approach to his work, is that it contains so much history, involving the many planets and their helter-skelter behavior after the primary breakup. There is so much going on in the sky for so long, that it boggles the mind. For many, it is enough to grok the Saturn polar configuration and its electrical plasma drama. To then carry the story beyond this already earth shifting paradigm and toward our present day, is a whole other enterprise.
The story of the planets in our solar system and how they fell away after the breakup of the Saturnian system is a story that Cook excels at. All of the planets departed and found new orbits around the Sun. Their journeys toward the stability that we see today, took a few thousand years. Along the way, there were many planetary incursions activated by the touching of plasmaspheres. The Earth suffered many impacts from these associations. Documenting them by laying out the evidence for when they happened and what their impacts were, is a fascinating study. To match up these records of catastrophes with shifts in human culture is important scholarship.
Many of the mysteries of our past can be revealed as occurring because of these great planetary disturbances: human migration caused by changing climates, political dynasties falling, whole peoples uprooted due to calamity, and much more.
This cultural history parallels the history of the Earth's catastrophes. It explains so much of the missing record, or at least can point to where the record drops off. Seen in this way, we can finally begin to understand why our human history has been so filled with drama. These planetary bodies were gods to us. They had massive impact on human society. Religion grew out of the absence of these bodies once they left us for more distant orbits. So too did many other aspects of society such as kingship.
It is amazing to consider that we ignorant moderns who think we understand the world so well, are so far off the mark. Most people have completely forgotten our heritage and the role that the active planets played in co-developing our psyche.
ifrean
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It is amazing to consider that we ignorant moderns who think we understand the world so well, are so far off the mark. Most people have completely forgotten our heritage and the role that the active planets played in co-developing our psyche.
so true, wonder if the majority of people are so entranced by drama due to collective remembrance and denial of the drama played out in the heavens
Andrew
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
ifrean, It is a curious thing that humanity is in such a trance state. Our memories of past planetary instabilities have been driven underground in our psyches, and religion has taken its place. Mythology is also a record of those long ago collective experiences. Some people think it is now wholly unconscious. I believe it is sub-conscious and therefore more accessible to us than we might initially realize.
IMO, the elite that drive society know how to harness these memories of our vulnerabilities and then use it against us. Through symbols and rituals, and belief systems our trance is a type of programming. The elite don't have to know the background of the Saturnian complex, but they have learned the various control mechanisms passed down through the mystery schools. I believe the fiat/usury monetary system and its debt enslavement program is part of this.
The good news is that many people are waking up and asking questions, realizing that our free and sovereign beings have been hijacked by all kinds of social programming. If we can recall the ancient experiences of the anthropomorphized planetary gods, perhaps we will be released from our trance.
FYI, I am posting on another thread called 'The Saturn Death Cult". The author has an interesting take on the social fallout from the breakup of the Saturnian system.
tayga
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
I'm a big fan of Jno Cook's ambitious effort although I don't agree with all of his position.
In particular, I have issues with his keen adoption of Julian Jaynes' 'The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" which I think tries to hard to explain consciousness in reductionist terms.
I find a far more appealing account of the evolution of consciousness in Ken Wilber's "Up from Eden: A Transpersonal View of Human Evolution" although Wilber is unaware of the Saturnian model and seeks to use the conventional view to explain archetypes and universal symbols.
Between Cook and Wilber, however, there is a very strong case for the emergence of the human ego coincident with (and probably stimulated by) the break up of the Saturnian system.
And, in agreement with Andrew, I think that the majority of humans are still in a sub-ego trance. Wilber would explain this as a manifestation of lower levels of consciousness from which we haven't all evolved. It underlies the social control system (including religion) which probably also emerged around 3000 BC and I share the view that it is exploited by the minority who benefit from the fiat money system.
There is a striking correlation between those who seek to expose organised religion and the financial system, and those who talk about increasing global consciousness which I don't think is accidental. Only awareness of the Saturnian model is missing among most of these people.
The good news, though - if Andrew Cohen, Eckhart Tolle and Ken Wilber (to name but a few) are to be believed - is that positive change is already underway and inevitable.
Andrew
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
(the following excerpted from a private message exchange with tayga)
In my words:
"I have dived into Jno Cook's work and like that he offers various scenarios for recent Earth catastrophes and resultant human cultural developments. This is my main area of interest now. The science of the plasma interactions and the abrupt changes to the geologic record are interesting, but I am more focused on human development.
It's interesting that you cite Jaynes work and Cook's use of it as too reductionist for you. For the time being it is right up my alley. Something did happen to cause the rise of 'ego' as you say, or the 'subjective mind' as Jaynes calls it. I think it is an important effort to address the development of consciousness in humans and how it might have been affected by the catastrophes and resultant socio-religious systems created to manipulate it.
I think everything is reductionist in some sense, as we try to form our opinions and coalesce around a belief. I appreciate Ken Wilber and have read much of his work, and Andrew Cohen too with his EnlightenNext crew. Too bad these guys haven't integrated the Saturn complex with their work, but hey, 99% of people can't wrap their heads around it. I'm signed on to Wilber's consciousness development levels, but would also like it to be integrated into a historical basis, but maybe this is too reductionist."
Andrew
Re: Cook's Saturnian Cosmology
Mars (Horus) and his 10 visitations to Earth
According to Cook, after the breakup of the Saturnian system in 3147 BCE, Mars (Horus) continued its visitations to Earth. The previous polar conjunction with Mars sliding up and down between Earth and Saturn ended and a different association developed.
This time, Mars was not entrained with Saturn, but had its own orbit around the Sun. Like the Earth it had been released by Saturn's grip after the battle with Jupiter, the bull of heaven.
In Cook's words:
"The battling Gods in the sky started an immediate retreat after 3147 BC, and Saturn and Jupiter eventually moved to their current orbits, although it would take 860 years for Jupiter and may have taken over a thousand years for Saturn and the Titans. As the Gods retreated into the far sky, Jupiter at first continued to bolt objects in the asteroid belt, through which it was moving, as it was receding from the Sun. The displays enter the mythology of the Gods as the magical weapons of the chief God — the bolt of Zeus that never misses, the hammer of Thor."
Mars and Earth fell into elliptical orbits, and for 300 years came into regular, close contact every 30 years or so. The phenomenon of the return of Mars was recognized by the Egyptians as a type of reincarnation.
"Every observer in Egypt, Sumer, and among the sheep herder forefathers of Abraham, considered that Mars had came out of the far distant sky as a resurrection of his previous self or as a new God or person altogether. This is particularly obvious in Egypt, where apparently every new appearance of Mars/Horus was understood as a newly resurrected Horus."
This period of time, from 3067 BCE when Mars showed up again, until 2750 BCE or thereabouts, marked an important chapter of humanity, coming as it did after the great Flood of 3147 BCE when the heavens unraveled and the northern seas pulled up by the gravitational attraction of Saturn released. Imagine the tsunami of that wall of water!
For the Egyptians, the Palermo stone is said to document these Mars visitations, and the Sed festival thought to be the recurring festivities.
In other cultures, in northwestern Europe, barrows were built to mark these events. These underground chambers were oriented toward the recurring strike point of the arc between Earth and Mars in the North Atlantic, which raised a huge vapor dome.
Mars leaves the scene after 2700 BCE and has a later series of visitations in the last millennium BCE. As Cook states, "These later close calls by Mars span the period of 806 BC through 687 BC, and happened at 15-year intervals." More on these events to come in a later post.
Cook has a number of chapters devoted to Mars. Try this one to start:
My mistake, sorry...He cites S.Warren Carey as an early proponent of internal planetary mass increase as well. More reading to do.
