While it mistakes facts and fiction, it is interesting that mainstream science sees space as non-empty. Would it interfere with light, causing redshift? Of course, but it is not mentioned..
It is mainly about virtual particles. The virtual particles are particles that pop in and out of the physical world. Just like ghosts. And in my opinion these "particles" do not really exist and are simply interactions with an extra dimension, which clearly explains all kind of quantum weirdness.
While it mistakes facts and fiction, it is interesting that mainstream science sees space as non-empty. Would it interfere with light, causing redshift? Of course, but it is not mentioned..
It is mainly about virtual particles. The virtual particles are particles that pop in and out of the physical world. Just like ghosts. And in my opinion these "particles" do not really exist and are simply interactions with an extra dimension, which clearly explains all kind of quantum weirdness.
I have mixed feelings about the study of quantum mechanics. On the one hand there is clearly another dimension to reality, a very tiny and "ghostly" one. Experiments have detected bizarre behavior of particles. But on the other hand, typical QM theories are all making love to the Big Bang with people like Michio Kaku and Stephen Hawking who believe in black holes and inflation and the Higgs boson. In my opinion these are all total pink unicorn fantasies. Michio Kaku is largely a warlock and magician and quantum foam is the catch-all secret sauce for anything they don't know. Abracadabra!
Zyxzevn
Re: Space is "quantum foam"
viscount aero wrote: But on the other hand, typical QM theories are all making love to the Big Bang ..
The basis of QM is totally without any Big Bang, and is much more accurate as you can see in the video. It may even proof that the big bang is invalid, as it did with the black holes.
viscount aero
Re: Space is "quantum foam"
Zyxzevn wrote:
viscount aero wrote: But on the other hand, typical QM theories are all making love to the Big Bang ..
The basis of QM is totally without any Big Bang, and is much more accurate as you can see in the video. It may even proof that the big bang is invalid, as it did with the black holes.
Sorry, mate, quantum foam, as I said, solves all problems for them. Big Bang is a quantum foam event. And if not that then it's M Theory.
Lloyd
Re: Does Space Insulate or Conduct?
Zyx, re quantum foam, milesmathis.com has a section on QM/QED. MM says a major error of QM etc is calling electrons, photons etc point particles with no radius. That screws up all their formulas just like what Crothers says about calculations for black holes are screwed up by dividing by zero. The video said virtual photons can have considerable mass. In reality real photons have mass. Conventional physics is wrong in claiming that they have no mass. They also say photons have no radius. Anything without mass or radius, it seems to me, cannot exist. Photons exist, therefore they have radius, and since they have effects on matter, they have mass. What fills space or the vacuum then is things like photons.
jtb
Re: Does Space Insulate or Conduct?
Adding my 2 cents. We use the word "space" to mean an interval between 2 or more objects characterized by the absence of visible matter, formally referred to as a void. However, we now know that space, or the void, contains invisible matter: ie... gas, dust, plasma, electromagnetic fields, gravity, and who knows what else.
An electrical conductor guides the flow of electrons along a certain path. That guide could be a visible guide such as a copper wire, or, an invisible force such as electromagnetism.
An insulator is anything that disrupts communication between objects obstructing the flow of electrons.
So, it's not space itself that is the conductor or insulator, but the visible and invisible matter and forces contained in space.
To complicate things, invisible matter and forces, such as the supposed aether, may also influence communication between objects and affect the flow of electrons.
The question should be, what are the visible and invisible objects and forces in space that guide the flow of electrons or disrupt communication?
CharlesChandler
Re: Does Space Insulate or Conduct?
I don't understand why this has to be so complicated. I don't have any problem at all conceiving an object moving from point A to point B, without any obstructions, if it is traveling through empty space. Thus there will be no friction, nor electrical resistance, or anything else like that. I can also conceive a sparsely populated space, that might not look like there is anything there, but actually, there are molecules here and there to bump into, and thus there will be friction for neutral objects traveling through that space, or electric resistance for charged particles. I agree that space does have the properties of length/width/height. I'm not sure that this turns it into a "thing", but as a "thing" or not, it doesn't generate any friction, nor any electrical resistance. Nor does it have pressure, or mass, or its own electrical charge, or color, taste, or anything else like that. But objects can move through it, and so can certain forms of energy, such as EM waves, as well as certain forces, such as gravity and the electric force. I don't see why there has to be something there to transport stuff like particles, forces, or forms of energy, from point A to point B. Maybe I just don't understand the problem. But I certainly consider it to be a mistake to require that something be there to mediate these exchanges, and then to start assigning all kinds of properties to the medium that one might think would be there, when the measurements indicate that they're not.
It talks about the July 23, 2012, CME that was really large but earth wasn't in its path. They say it was probably bigger than the one in the Carrington Event.
They made a remark about how the big CME traveled extraordinarily fast because its path had been cleared out by a previous CME.
Cleared out of what, I'm wondering? At any rate, it made me think of this discussion thread. It seems to lend credence to the idea that cleared-out space (to coin a phrase) conducts energy better than otherwise.
jacmac
Re: Does Space Insulate or Conduct?
Charles said:
I don't understand why this has to be so complicated. I don't have any problem at all conceiving an object moving from point A to point B, without any obstructions, if it is traveling through empty space.
Yes, I agree, Most of this topic seems to be a semantic entanglement.
Also:
I agree that space does have the properties of length/width/height.
No, if empty space is empty(quantum tunneling notwithstanding) then "it" is empty. Therefore, empty space has no intrinsic dimensions. IMHO. There is the ability to put or find things in space, then to measure. But this is a different topic.
Sparky
Re: Does Space Insulate or Conduct?
jacmac:
No, if empty space is empty(quantum tunneling notwithstanding) then "it" is empty. Therefore, empty space has no intrinsic dimensions. IMHO. There is the ability to put or find things in space, then to measure. But this is a different topic.
Dimensions of space are defined by those things outside of that space. Is that what you mean?
Okay. I looked it over. The following seem to be the main points (which I numbered up to 46 and included links to each post), without going into many details. So which of these best explains that electric forces in space can involve AC, or impedance, resonance, harmonics etc?
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6859#p70563 Re: AC/DC Postby Solar » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:43 pm _1_ There are in actuality two forms of "electricity". Alternating Currents (alternating current, cycles) Direct Current (direct current, "scalar", no variation "unidirectional" or non-alternating) Impulse Currents (Tesla, spark gap, early days of wireless) Oscillating Currents (Tesla, spark gap, early days of wireless) _2_ The Four Quadrant Theory of Electricity is IMPULSE CURRENT, OSCILLATING CURRENT, DIRECT CURRENT, ALTERNATING CURRENT. alternating current + direct current are transverse electromagnetic impulse and oscillating current are longitudinal di-electric – Eric Dollard: PESWIKI _3_ Endothermic and Exothermic Electric Discharges
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6859#p70565 Postby Jarvamundo » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:38 pm _4_ The type of electricity used to form a galaxy is the same as the tiny noise ripple that exists when you flick the switch of your AC or DC system. It is neither AC nor DC. Both these forms of electricity are continuous in function. Galaxies are transient electrical phenomena. Transient is the natural form of electricity... as Solar points out in blue... _5_ There also exist other complex forms of these currents, depending on the electrical constants of the circuit, and in an electrical universe mediated by non-linear plasma, these can become incredibly complex to analyze. That is... a circuit element may not participate in a phenomena until a threshold is reached, these electrical thresholds can also be harmonically reached. Hannes Alfven's early work was in these types of electrical power systems, a terrestrial example is an exploding rectifier when due to transient instabilities at the point of interruption the entire power line and all it's surrounding-ly stored energy decides to participate in a local phenomena... the vaporizing of the substation. BOOM! Alfven then moved onto describe cosmic phenomena with these electrical engineering analytical techniques (the rectifier interruption becomes a solar flare). _6_ Eric Lerner wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH6XAacQuRs#t=288s Phenomena of the cosmos are essentially transient phenomena, it's funny to think of a galaxy lasting billions of years as a transient phenomena. Read the first 3 pages of chapter 1: Theory and calculation of transient electric phenomena and oscillations (1909) - Charles P Steinmetz (Chief theoretical engineer of General Electric) http://archive.org/stream/theoryandcalcul12steigoog#page/n32/mode/2up
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6859&start=15#p70780 The 'Other Electricity' Part One Postby Solar » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:36 pm _8_ Pulsed Plasma The Sounds of Pulsars That is Pulsed Plasma. So I think consideration of the glow discharge and "cathode"/"anode" relationships in pulsed plasma regimes needs to be had. If its DC out there in space then all the better. _9_ Stationary Waves: Now, let's consider Tesla's recognition of "stationary waves" owing to storms during his time at Colorado Springs. Its a familiar story but I want to highlight some things: _10_ 'Individualized' Longitudinal Magneto-Dielectricity "Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4m82cvThd8 Cold electricity Lighting a Bulb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MchjJy1GOs
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6859&start=15#p70795 Postby Solar » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:12 pm _15_ "distributed capacitance on the surface". _16_ Theta-pinch accompanying the Z-pinch with galaxies "Starburst Galaxy M82" _17_ junglelord wrote:I think of the sun as a phase conjugate four wave mixer.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6859&start=15#p70816 Postby seasmith » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:27 am _18_ Found this in Chapter 21 Segregation: Tesla "pendulum" analogy Instead of Pupins's EM configured approach, which I botched, Tesla reduced the EM and accentuated the LMD oscillations by pulsing the system. "Longitudinal Waves and Transverse Waves tests" http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm the longitudinal Magnetic and Dielectricity can be differentiated from the transverse electromagnetic wave energy. A different form of "electricity" then arises which 'compresses radially' 'inward' as it robs heat from the environment. Its activities are the Impulse and Oscillating currents.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6859&start=15#p70832 _19_ Solar wrote:The 'nodes' are where "tensions" of the overall oscillating system are 'released' or 'relax'. Thus planets, serving as resonant 'nodes', would bear the scars of large scale "transient" electrical activities. _20_ Dollard mentioned that Heaviside had a term "Law of Continuity of Energy" _21_ Solar wrote: I'm more interested in this 'other electricity' and its potential as a contribution to gravity, or gravity as a contribution to it
No, if empty space is empty(quantum tunneling notwithstanding) then "it" is empty. Therefore, empty space has no intrinsic dimensions. IMHO. There is the ability to put or find things in space, then to measure. But this is a different topic.
Sparky asked:
Dimensions of space are defined by those things outside of that space. Is that what you mean?
Sort of, but not quite. I do not know what "outside of that space" means. My idea is that empty space is a complete void. I think there can be no "dimensions" in space unless there is(are)matter. You need something to measure. This comes from my response to ideas of "extra" dimensions. I don't think there are "Extra Dimensions" because I don't think there are ANY dimensions intrinsic to space itself. In my work I use tape measures all the time. I have no problem with x,y, and z as we use them, but they are only measurement tools.
In a similar manner I do not think empty space has any conductivity or resistance in agreement with others above.
Lloyd
Re: Does Space Insulate or Conduct?
Conductor
As Charles showed, the more matter there is in a volume of space, the less conductance it has.
And as I pointed out earlier, if space had no dimensions of length there would be no distance between material objects.
Sparky
Re: Does Space Insulate or Conduct?
jackmac:
My idea is that empty space is a complete void
Well, I do understand that. And it could very well be.
My only argumentative thought would be from the greater macro on down to what we can determine is the micro, there is something that resides in an environment that appears to take up space, though finding that matter is mostly space is disconcerting.
The spaces between matter's bits and pieces does seem to be of vast quantity.
