and from the v.archive posted by Nick C in the link from Lloyd through to Allyns awesome effort , Im a fan of Prof V in general, so worth another post :
Jupiter, Gold, and the Birth of Athene
Pindar, speaking of the island of Rhodes, says that Zeus "rained down on the city with golden flakes of snow" at the time Athene was born from Zeus' head, "shouting with a far-ringing cry, and all Heaven and Mother Earth shuddered before her." (1) Homer also says that "upon them [the people of Rhodes] wondrous wealth was shed by the son of Cronus." Strabo, after quoting Homer, adds that other writers "say that gold rained on the island the time when Athena was born from the head of Zeus, as Pindar states." (2)
Gold-bearing gravel—with ingots in it—originated from outside of the Earth and, if we should look upon the Greek legend of Zeus and the golden rain in Rhodes as containing revealing elements, then the ingots came from Jupiter.(3) It could be meteoric gold, and as to the origin the ancients could err; but the event happened in human memory, actually during the Early Bronze Age, or at its end.(4)
In 1866 a human skull was unearthed in the interior of Bald Mountain near Altaville, in Calaveras County, California. The skull of Bald Mountain was reported to have been found in the shaft of a gold mine, in a layer of auriferous (gold-bearing) gravel, beneath four layers of lava, each separated from the other by four layers of gravel. The skull did not differ in structure or dimensions from the skull of modern man; however, it was fossilized.(5) In the gold-bearing gravel of Calaveras were also unearthed fossilized bones of the mammoth, the great mastodon, the tapir, horse, hippopotamus, rhinoceros and camel, all extinct animals in pre-Columbian America. But geologically the layer in which it was found belongs to the Tertiary, and therefore a great embarrassment was in store for the geologists and evolutionists. They divide the strata according to the fossils found in them and hold that in the Tertiary there could have been no human beings, for it is an age before the advent of man. But we have seen in the case of the Dead Sea that the great upheavals ascribed to the end of the Tertiary took place at a much later time, actually in the time of the Patriarchs, which is the end of the Early Bronze Age period. The auriferous gravels of California and of the Ural Mountains had their origin at this same time.
The rain of gold on Rhodes is assigned by Pindar to the time when Athene was born from the head of Zeus. The expulsion of the protoplanet Venus from the body of Jupiter followed, by decades or by centuries, the contact of Saturn and Jupiter, and the fantasy of the peoples regarded Venus as a child of Jupiter, conceived to him by Saturn.
The ancient Persians called Venus Tishtrya, "a magnificent and glorious star which Ahura Mazda [i.e., Jupiter] has established as master and overseer of all the stars." (6) Plutarch described the events in the following terms: "Then Horomazes [Ahura Mazda], having magnified himself to three times his size, removed himself as far from the sun as the sun is distant from the earth . . . and one star, seirios [i.e., Tishtrya, or Venus] he established above all others as a guardian and watcher." (7)
References Pindar, The Seventh Olympian Ode, transl. by L. R. Farnell (London, 1930), p. 35. Strabo, Geography, [On another occasion Zeus is said to have come to Danae, the mother of Perseus, in the form of a shower of golden rain. See Hyginus, Fabulae 63; Apollodorus, The Library II. 4. 1; Horace, Odes, III. 16. 1. Cf. L. Radermacher, "Danae und der goldene Regen," Archiv fuer Religionswissenschaft 25 (1927), pp. 216ff. Cf. Pindar's twelfth Pythian and seventh Isthmian odes. A fragment of a lost play of Sophocles (1026) designates Zeus as "chrysomorphos"—having the form of gold. Rains of gold are reported also in the Chinese chronicles. See Abel Remusat, Catalogue des bolides et des aerolithes observees a la Chine et dans les pays voisins (1819), p. 6. The Scythians are said by Herodotos (IV. ) to have venerated certain golden objects which they believed had fallen from the heavens in early times. In the sacred texts of the Hindus it is said that "gold belongs to Brihaspati." Brihaspati is the planet Jupiter. The Maitrayani Samhita I. 18. 6. Cf. S. Bhattachrji, The Indian Cosmogony (Cambridge, 1970), p. 318.]. [It is a remarkable fact that gold appears only in very recent geological formations. Sir Roderick Impey Murchison dedicated chapter XVII of his geological opus Siluria to this phenomenon: "On the Original Formation of Gold and Its Subsequent Distribution in Debris over Parts of the Earth's Surface." He argued, on the basis of his field observations in northern Russia, that gold is of recent origin:
Whatever may have been the date when the rock was first rendered auriferous [gold-bearing], the date of this great superficial distribution of gold is clearly indicated. For it contains in many places the same remains of extinct fossil quadrupeds that are found in the coarse drift-gravel of Western Europe. The elephas primogenius, or Mammoth, bos aurochs, rhinoceros tochorrhinus, with gigantic stags, and many other species, including large carnivores, were unquestionably before that period of destruction the denizens of Europe and Siberia.
The period of the distribution of gold in the late Pleistocene strata was that of the mass extinctions of the great quadrupeds at the end of the last ice age. next Murchison tried to determine the time when the rocks were first "impregnated with gold." He wrote:
Now, it would seem as if these rocks, in the Ural, have been chiefly impregnated with gold, in a comparatively recent period. In the first place, the western flank of the Ural chain offers strong evidence that this golden transfusion had not been effected in this region when the Permian deposits were completed.
No sign of gold was found in these older strata.
Nowhere does it [the Permian debris] contain visible traces of gold or platinum. Had these metals then existed in the Ural mountains, in the quantities which now prevail, many remnants of them must have been washed down together with the other rocks and minerals and have formed part of the old Permian conglomerates. On the other hand, when the much more modern debacles, that destroyed the great animals, and heaped up the piles of gravel above described, proceeded from this chain, then the debris became largely auriferous. It is manifest therefore that the principal impregnation of the rocks with gold—i.e., when the lumps and strings of it were formed—took place in the intervening time.
Sometime between the Permian and the last ice age some event resulted in the infusion of the rocks with gold. Murchison tried to fix the time more precisely:
We cannot believe that it occurred shortly after the Permian era, nore even when any of the secondary rocks were forming; since no golden debris is found in any of the older Tertiary grits and sands which occur in the Siberian flank of the chain. If, then, the mammoth drift be the oldest mass of detritus in which gold occurs abundantly, not only in the Ural, but in many parts of the world, we are led to believe that this noble metal, though for the most part formed in ancient crystalline rocks, or in the igneous rocks which penetrated them, was only abundantly imparted to them in a comparatively recent period—i.e., a short time (in geological language) before the epoch when the very powerful and general denudations took place which destroyed the large extinct mammalia.
In another work of his, The Geology of Russia and the Ural Mountains, Vol. I (London, 1845), p. 473, Murchison presented his conclusions about the geological events which accompanied the deposition of gold:
. . . We conclude that the [Ural] chain became (chiefly) auriferous during the most recent disturbances by which it was affected, and that this took place when the highest peaks were thrown up, when the present watershed was established, and when the syenitic granite and other comparatively recent igneous rocks were erupted along its eastern edges.
Murchison, one of the founders of modern geology, insisted that it was during a major geological upheaval that gold became part of the rocks—it was the time of mountains being "thrown up" and molten rock flowing, before solidifying into granite. Murchison next wondered about the "agency" which deposited the gold in the mountains of the Ural and elsewhere. As a geologist he observed that "the material has been chiefly accumulated towards the surface of the rocks, and then by the abrasion and dispersion of their superficial parts, the richest golden materials have been spread out. . . ." (Siluria, p. 455).
This last observation is of fundamental importance, in that since the gold was deposited close to the surface, it could not have come from inside the earth.]. J. D. Whitney, The Auriferous Gravels of the Sierra Nevada of California (1880), pp. 268-269. Yasht 8: 44. De Iside et Osiride, ch. 47.
Believe it or not, I was just looking into some placer claims in the hills close to where I live. We have lots of quartz veins in the rock around here, and gold is found with those veins. My theory is that the quartz itself is produced by resonant means in the granite bedrock when subject to very high intensity, probably pulsed electric currents, and that the gold is produced from the quartz with long enough exposure. If this really works, then the price of gold could crash, but shares in microwave equipment suppliers might be a good investment!
Sparky
Re: Producing Gold
kiwi, thanks for the link and info. in your post.
garyn, might want to look at "Gold Rush Alaska" series to see what you will have to do to get some gold.
There is another tv series, "Bering Sea Gold", which looks like a quicker and cheaper way to get gold. They suck it up from the sea floor. Well, the big barge has a huge back hoe to scrape it up, but that is big bucks. They find gold under the gravel off the coast near Nome. Turn over a big rock and there it is!
GaryN
Re: Producing Gold
garyn, might want to look at "Gold Rush Alaska" series to see what you will have to do to get some gold.
I can get clean, pure, white quartz rock for about $2000/ton from a local quarry, and I still have a number of heavy duty microwave ovens, who needs to go to Alaska? If the process works, I'll take you for a ride in my new Bently Mulsanne.
Sparky
Re: Producing Gold
Gary, will you have to crush the quartz into a powder to begin extracting gold? My dad brought me a small piece of quartz with some yellow matter in it, from a Minnesota fishing trip, when I was a kid.
Every mining process that I have looked at seems risky, at best. Dangerous chemicals, or expensive equipment, long, hard hours working, and small chance of success/profit unless everything comes together right. gl
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-needtoknow, that utube , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBCgPuvmzI, was a perfect example of how NOT to make a video! I got nothing from it! Shaky camera work, lousy, unintelligible sound quality, and background noise!
phyllotaxis
Re: Earth - tectonics and geology
It just happened again.....
+EyeOn-W-ANeed2Know
Re: Producing Gold
Sparky wrote: Gary, will you have to crush the quartz into a powder to begin extracting gold? My dad brought me a small piece of quartz with some yellow matter in it, from a Minnesota fishing trip, when I was a kid.
Every mining process that I have looked at seems risky, at best. Dangerous chemicals, or expensive equipment, long, hard hours working, and small chance of success/profit unless everything comes together right. gl
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-needtoknow, that utube , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBCgPuvmzI, was a perfect example of how NOT to make a video! I got nothing from it! Shaky camera work, lousy, unintelligible sound quality, and background noise!
While I completely agree with ya, I'd also like to point out I have absolutley no connection any way to the recording or production of the video. (LOL! A lapel mic would have been a better choice for someone who likes to talk with their hands.)
I included simply because I thought the idea of such EM induced alchemy directly related to topic.
The first time I saw what a gold vein looked like, I thought it bore a strange resemblence to a fulgarite... and that they might be the result of specific discharges into the quartz rich rock strata
kiwi
Re: Producing Gold
Sparky wrote: kiwi, thanks for the link and info. in your post.
garyn, might want to look at "Gold Rush Alaska" series to see what you will have to do to get some gold.
There is another tv series, "Bering Sea Gold", which looks like a quicker and cheaper way to get gold. They suck it up from the sea floor. Well, the big barge has a huge back hoe to scrape it up, but that is big bucks. They find gold under the gravel off the coast near Nome. Turn over a big rock and there it is!
Sparky "Bering Sea Gold" is just about to start down here .... seems a fair amount of drama from the adverts but I love these shows for the fascinating insights into geology ... In an old book I have (and cant locate at present) .. there is a comment by the old Professor who it .. " if you fill 70 (?) [needs verifying] old kerosine tins ( think they were about 25 litres?) ... with black Iron sand ( just about the entire West Coast of NZ is Iron sands) taken from the bottom of the beach cliffs... you WILL recover 1 oz of gold .... interesting, I intend giving it a shot later in the year
kell1990
Re: Producing Gold
I don't think anyone can produce gold, from whatever source, at a price that is lower that the asking price for the commodity. Any way you do it...
It seems to me that the distribution of gold is more detemined by the trajectory of incoming objects than anything else. If one looks at the distribution of gold fields, and compares them with known geologic events, you'd just as soon guess at an answer.
It'd be just as accurate.
But if you consider incoming objects, call them whatever you will, then the distribution of the field will be consistent with an incoming object.
We just had a fairly major solar event, and if the sun is connected to the galactic flow and the sun behaved as it did, is it too far out to assume that the Earth also moved? Did the entire system shake, leaving no trace of relative motion?
GaryN
Re: Earth - tectonics and geology
An interesting excerpt, I thought, from the book "Exploring Space, Exploring Earth: New Understanding of the Earth from Space Research" by Paul D. Lowman, ex head NASA Geologist.
I think that geology is on the verge of a major paradigm shift, to use the fashionable term, comparable to that in physics between 1895 and 1905. Geologists today subscribe almost unanimously to what W. K. Hamblin has called a "master plan," the theory of plate tectonics. The three essential mechanisms of plate tectonics – sea- floor spreading, subduction, and transform faulting – have in fact been confirmed by so many independent lines of evidence that we can consider them observed phenomena, at least in and around the ocean basins. Plate tectonic theory is called upon to explain, directly or indirectly, almost all aspects of terrestrial geology above the level of the crystal lattice. Even metamorphic petrology, in particular the new field of ultra-high pressure metamorphism, invokes phenomena such as continental collision to explain how rocks recrystallized 150 kilometers down are brought to the surface. I think this is a mistake. We now know, from space exploration, that bodies essentially similar to the Earth in composition and struc- ture have developed differentiated crusts, mountain belts, rift valleys, and volcanos without plate tectonics, in fact without plates. Furthermore, we now know, thanks partly to remote sensing from space, that the Earth's crust can not realistically be considered a mosaic of 12 discrete rigid plates. For these and other reasons, I dis- agree with certain aspects of plate tectonic theory, as will be explained in the text. Is the Earth fundamentally unique? Most geologists think it is, and consider the discoveries of space exploration to be interesting but irrelevant to terrestrial geology. The basic objective of this book is to show the contrary: that the exploration of space has also been the exploration of the Earth, and that real understanding of its geology is just beginning now that we can see our own planet in almost its entirety, and can compare it with others.
