I have been following this thread with great interest. The idea of a meteor to ground electrical connection is intriguing. I came across a second video which appears to show this connection. It's at the 5:20 to 5:31 mark.
Notice that the bright fog like glow that was an inverted cone below the large discharge is now gone. AND it is getting darker! Is this as a result of auto feature of camera?
GaryN
Re: Feb 15 Meteorite(s) hit Russia - Analysis
I think this vid is just someone experimenting with filters, contrast or whatever, and not CGI, haven't played around myself to try and reproduce such effects. If it's genuine, then that fits with the rumorus going around that the Russians took a shot at it, but no missile would have been able to catch up with it at the officially determined speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... QIPBqoQ-Q#! So no missile, but some energetic events of some description. This one seems to suggest plasmoids, perhaps beads on a string. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSPDoTn4kSo There was one poor video released from a satellite, but there is a group of scientists trying to gain access to presently classified data from other space based instruments. I think that information could provide all the answers we need. http://www.space.com/19811-russian-mete ... video.html The fog like glow has also been seen from space in the past, a large distinct foggy dome over an area where sprites above were also imaged, suggesting some electrical connection.
dahlenaz
Re: Feb 15 Meteorite(s) hit Russia - Analysis
Photographic evidence can be very misleading. Lens anomolies are just one aspect which can mislead the viewer. Light saturation and the recovery time of CCD's must be considered carfully. Objects in the forground can put artificially brightened areas in the video such as is seen at the light pole. In many of the videos of this event there are repeated examples of light refraction related to lens and windsheild glass. Many other forms of sensor data are needed to identify the nature of this event.
If you've never experienced first hand a hydrogen explosion up close then you may not realize the potential of the hydrogen contained in water.. We should not limit this discussion to just electrical aspects just because that is the house paradigm, the fuel available to account for the explosion is abundent. The possibility of electrical breakdown in some form is certainly a strong one but the affect of electrical leakage to the earths internal atmosphere opens up the possibility that the explosion felt around the area was localized ignition of the atmosphere itself.
Many reports speak of the flashs and explosion by comparison to a hydrogen bomb but i have to ask; what more about those comparisons can be said to bring deeper understanding to what is occuring, with the two characters of the comparison, to offer such similarity in brightness of flash and force of the subsequent concussion? Hydrogen and oxygen are both highly volitile, so, can their reaction to super-heating be violent ignition? The vaporous trail of initial re-entry seems different than the trail after the explosion. Even the luminous cloud at the flash point seems to remain alive with activity, some that was more than the cameras sensors could handle, some that needs 3D evaluation to show the spiraling of at least two fragments which kept on going some distance further.
Lets not be too narrow in the coverage of details for what might have happened during this event. d...z
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kiwi
Re: Feb 15 Meteorite(s) hit Russia - Analysis
Sparky,... the "frames" following the intense "white-out" are quite interesting,.. can you post those? ... btw Leonid Elenin is going to send me some Russian scientific "critiques" of the event, I asked for english translation ... hopefully we can get a better idea from their perspective as to (possibly) the E-discharge component
cheers
Sparky
Re: Feb 15 Meteorite(s) hit Russia - Analysis
notice how dark it got....must be the auto exposure. Two discharging objects w/something far ahead.
I saw another smaller discharge and the continuation of the vertical shaft that looks to be a discharge.
dahlenaz
Re: Feb 15 Meteorite(s) hit Russia - Analysis
Sparky wrote: notice how dark it got....must be the auto exposure. Two discharging objects w/something far ahead.
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A discharge to the object from outside the ionosphere seems to me like the most likely electrical scenario. This would be like the Columbia disaster scenario once proposed by Wal Thornhill.
Isn't charge differential highest across the ionospheric shell? Once the object gets far enough into the atmosphere the path is exploited. Notice how bright the trail remains even after the explosion when the outgoing trail had stopped. The brightness of the incoming path does not die out until the bright area at the point of explosion changes to clouds. The trail actually gets brighter after the explosion and while the explosion area is flaring. This speaks to me as the extent of the dischage path from outside, can you see the coronal fingers in the tails? In the video that i've yet to find, but used by Thunderbolts.info at 3:45 in an upcoming t-bolts news item, you can see how luminosity in the trail directly relates to flaring at the point of explosion.. As flaring disipates so does the trails behind. I put several picture at: Text version coming soon. http://para-az.com/chelyabinsk-meteor/trail-lumin-1.jpg
The explosion could very easily be volitiles held in concentration at the burble behind the object. Ablated material from the object, left in the trail, sure seems like a fuse for an electrical path which stopped at the object, seen as a surface explosion which accelerates material ahead of the object and fragments the object.
I still suggest that this looked like a skip based on the sustained velocity of the luminous object continuing on out of sight. d...z
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Eldie_Essay
A Pinch
I see a pinch:
And here's some screen captures of the other video I linked to above:
Sparky
Re: Feb 15 Meteorite(s) hit Russia - Analysis
Yes, there is a pinch effect.
If you stretch the timeline out as far as you can, then slowly advance the frames, it appears to "boil". There are constant changes in shape of the discharge.
I found one video that was looking at the cloud and there appeared to be spots around the edge that glowed. Now I can't find that video.
dahlenaz
Re: Feb 15 Meteorite(s) hit Russia - Analysis
A demonstration of light scatter through lens material.
Eldie_Essay wrote: I have been following this thread with great interest. The idea of a meteor to ground electrical connection is intriguing. I came across a second video which appears to show this connection. It's at the 5:20 to 5:31 mark.
