This is a little piece of lost history pertaining to how a great comet caused a great quake: http://koolkreations.wix.com/kalopins-legacy ,"Kalopins Legacy","wix","documents and links","A Few Comments on 1811", "A Few Comments on 2011", "Our Electrostatic Earth, Telegeodynamics, and the Power of the Pyramids". Kalopins Legacy 1811 A Comet and A Quake - Get your copy today at Amazon or Barnes & Noble.
Kalopin
Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1812
Hoping this may find your interest: Recent findings suggest a meteor from a serial impact off the dust tail of Comet C/1811 F1 was the initial mechanism to cause The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1812. There is a central semi-circular depression in Northeastern Marshall County, Mississippi which every hill in the valley reverberates out from in a shockwave pattern. On the northwest face many unusual rocks were found, with the appearance of melt rock, fusion crust, vitrification, shatter cones, fallback breccia, shocked quartz, nanodiamonds, etc... All aspects of impactites.
I have put more information at this site: http://koolkreations.wix.com/kalopins-legacy ,"Kalopins Legacy","wix","documents and links","A Few Comments on 1811". Here you will find that a huge comet barely missed and as our planet travelled through its dust tail several meteors impacted, one large enough to cause a great earthquake. Find out the truths behind the myths... and help to rewrite history...
601L1n9FR09
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
Welcome Kal! I love it! Not sure I agree with all you have to say but the website is great. Always was a fan of the NMEQS and the associated history. What a story! Keep searching and posting. I guess from the EU/PC perspective electric discharge might be a strong candidate to explain some of your finds. Anyhow thanx for curing my bordom for the next month or so.
JD
Kalopin
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
601L1n9FR09 wrote: Welcome Kal! I love it! Not sure I agree with all you have to say but the website is great. Always was a fan of the NMEQS and the associated history. What a story! Keep searching and posting. I guess from the EU/PC perspective electric discharge might be a strong candidate to explain some of your finds. Anyhow thanx for curing my bordom for the next month or so.
JD
Maybe if I explain the satellite view?
Google earth coordinates are 34* 58' 31.38"N x 89* 24' 17.15"W ,should take you to a small field that is part of the northwest basin. Once you pan out from there, draw an imaginary line to The New Madrid Bend and notice the lines in the topography showing the direction and force of impact. Follow each river to the north around through each valley and notice the rolling hills that eminate out from the proposed crater. Do you see the shockwave pattern?
Kalopin
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
Would just like to post this link in memory of all those that lost their lives two hundred one years ago and all those that perished in 1811-1812: "Travels to the Equinoctial Regions of America", by Alexander Von Humboldt - Chapter 14: http://ebooks.aidelaide.edu.au/h/humbol ... ter14.html His accounts help to show the true extent of what was a Great Cometary Catastrophe. R.I.P.
Kalopin
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
1/13/13- Looks like a lucky day for science. it appears we may soon find funding to further this research.
Did you get a chance to read the article "A Few Comments on 1811"? , or "A Few Comments on 2011"? , or "Our Electrostatic Earth, Telegeodynamics and The Powers of the Pyramids"?
What do you think about my hypothesis of how comets can push P-waves of charged particles?
Lloyd
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
Charles Chandler has a (very good, imo) theory for how earthquakes occur, so I asked him what he thinks about your idea about impacts triggering quakes at http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&am~. Maybe he'll have something interesting to say on that.
By the way, why does your website say kalapin, while here you say kalopin?
Kalopin
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
Lloyd wrote: Charles Chandler has a (very good, imo) theory for how earthquakes occur, so I asked him what he thinks about your idea about impacts triggering quakes at http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&am~. Maybe he'll have something interesting to say on that.
By the way, why does your website say kalapin, while here you say kalopin?
Ooops! where did I spell it Kalapin? I hope you are just talking about the funky "Old English" type that I used on the front page, It does seem slightly ambiguous.
I am sure that there are many mechanisms that can trigger an earthquake, once a fault has reached breaking point. The NMSZ is an unusual fault for many reasons. It is in the middle of The North American Plate and just ends on either side. there is no uplift or subduction zone anywhere near, and it runs against the direction of the edge of the plates [Mid Plate Tectonics]. This has been baffling to many seismologists.
I do not argue whether or not this was already a seismic region, or of any of the past or more recent quakes, only that the mechanism for the 1811-1812 quakes was a meteor impact.
It is my belief that the comet cmae up from the southern hemisphere [were it was last seen] and passed in front of our planet in late November/early December 1811[a thought-maybe the Geminids are not remnants from an asteroid!], and as Earth passed through its tail [for almost a month] several meteors impacted, one large enough to cause this event. William Herchel's observations concur, and many saw the comet as 50% larger than the sun in October 1811.
Current theories try to say an ice sheet somehow pulled the land upward against gravity and away from the equator, which I do not believe is even possible. Another says that inland seas came up to form this topography, but they would have left sandy beaches and could never have left evenly spaced rolling hills of mixed gravel, sand, and dirt.I believe that all the glacial melt gravel and inland sea sands were reformed by this impact on December 16, 1811. It turns out that this impact scenario explains all and is really the only mechanism that could have formed the topography of The Upper Midland Drift, Upland formation, Upland Complex, New Madrid Lines, that is The Mississippi Embayment.
CharlesChandler
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
IMO, it's possible for an impact to trigger an earthquake, but only if the quake was already set to occur (i.e., the fault was already under pressure). An experiment was once conducted (see Bolt, B., 1976: Nuclear Explosions and Earthquakes: The Parted Veil. W. H. Freeman & Company) involving the detonation of a 1 megaton nuclear bomb, 1 km below the surface. This successfully caused a surface fault about 1.2 km long. But it did not create a series of seismic waves. The second wave had only a small fraction of the energy of the initial shock front, and the elastic reverberations died out quite quickly. So to get a series of waves (which the New Madrid quakes certainly had), you need more than just an initial shock — you need two plates that are going to keep moving relative to each other, once set in motion. So I think that the fault was already under pressure.
D_Archer
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
CharlesChandler wrote: So I think that the fault was already under pressure.
And the asteroid was the trigger ergo the cause.
Regards, Daniel
Kalopin
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
CharlesChandler wrote: IMO, it's possible for an impact to trigger an earthquake, but only if the quake was already set to occur (i.e., the fault was already under pressure). An experiment was once conducted (see Bolt, B., 1976: Nuclear Explosions and Earthquakes: The Parted Veil. W. H. Freeman & Company) involving the detonation of a 1 megaton nuclear bomb, 1 km below the surface. This successfully caused a surface fault about 1.2 km long. But it did not create a series of seismic waves. The second wave had only a small fraction of the energy of the initial shock front, and the elastic reverberations died out quite quickly. So to get a series of waves (which the New Madrid quakes certainly had), you need more than just an initial shock — you need two plates that are going to keep moving relative to each other, once set in motion. So I think that the fault was already under pressure.
Yes, agreed, but there are several problems: The fault lies in the middle of one plate, it is not two seperate plates. The North American Plate once covered another plate to cause The Rocky Mountain Range, and some seismologists hypothesize that this made the North American Plate rather weak in the New Madrid area. As I am sure that this fault is in a weak spot,[with pressure, tension, torsion, erosion,...] yet the "series of waves" does not eminate out from the area of the fault but from Northeastern Marshall County, Ms.
I do not believe that is it possible for a fault to make the design that is directly above it. The design of Reelfoot Lake coincides with the same "upward" design of the entire valley. It would take a force this great [meteor impact] to ring the churchbells in Boston!
Kalopin
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
D_Archer wrote:
CharlesChandler wrote: So I think that the fault was already under pressure.
And the asteroid was the trigger ergo the cause.
Regards, Daniel
True, but to be more clear, the asteroid that became the meteor was from a comet. It was more than likely composed of mostly ice and sand, probably a lot of gravel sized and several boulder-sized rocks and it is my belief that it impacted a frozen lake, as the 1811-1812 winter is one of the coldest on record. This occurred where the soil make-up was only gravel, sand, and dirt and on top of The Artesian Wells, an underground inland sea that covers the entire embayment. I believe that this absorbed much of the energy and heat, greatly affecting the outcome.
Big difference from say Barringer or Watumpka craters... In fact there is only one other impact crater, that I am aware of, that was found in a river basin. That would be The Kgagodi Crater in Botswana Africa, and it was found by accident when drilling out core samples for a mining expedition.
seasmith
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
FOSSIL DIATOMS IN A NEW CARBONACEOUS METEORITE
Journal of Cosmology, Vol,21, No,37 published, 10 January 2013
We report the discovery for the first time of diatom frustules in a carbonaceous meteorite that fell in the North Central Province of Sri Lanka on 29 December 2012. Contamination is excluded by the circumstance that the elemental abundances within the structures match closely with those of the surrounding matrix. There is also evidence of structures morphologically similar to red rain cells that may have contributed to the episode of red rain that followed within days of the meteorite fall. The new data on "fossil" diatoms provide strong evidence to support the theory of cometary panspermia.
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
Kalopin wrote:
D_Archer wrote:
CharlesChandler wrote: So I think that the fault was already under pressure.
And the asteroid was the trigger ergo the cause.
Regards, Daniel
True, but to be more clear, the asteroid that became the meteor was from a comet. It was more than likely composed of mostly ice and sand, probably a lot of gravel sized and several boulder-sized rocks and it is my belief that it impacted a frozen lake, as the 1811-1812 winter is one of the coldest on record. This occurred where the soil make-up was only gravel, sand, and dirt and on top of The Artesian Wells, an underground inland sea that covers the entire embayment. I believe that this absorbed much of the energy and heat, greatly affecting the outcome.
Big difference from say Barringer or Watumpka craters... In fact there is only one other impact crater, that I am aware of, that was found in a river basin. That would be The Kgagodi Crater in Botswana Africa, and it was found by accident when drilling out core samples for a mining expedition.
emphasis added by me
Comets are asteroids, in EU there is no difference other then appearance, asteroids are not made of ice and sand. Note that asteroids can trigger CME's from the sun, an asteroid near earth could do the same, but the earth crust is in the way, so an earthquake happens. Highly likeley scenario.
Regards, Daniel
Kalopin
Re: Comet C/1811 F1 and The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1
D_Archer wrote:
Kalopin wrote:
D_Archer wrote:
CharlesChandler wrote: So I think that the fault was already under pressure.
And the asteroid was the trigger ergo the cause.
Regards, Daniel
True, but to be more clear, the asteroid that became the meteor was from a comet. It was more than likely composed of mostly ice and sand, probably a lot of gravel sized and several boulder-sized rocks and it is my belief that it impacted a frozen lake, as the 1811-1812 winter is one of the coldest on record. This occurred where the soil make-up was only gravel, sand, and dirt and on top of The Artesian Wells, an underground inland sea that covers the entire embayment. I believe that this absorbed much of the energy and heat, greatly affecting the outcome.
Big difference from say Barringer or Watumpka craters... In fact there is only one other impact crater, that I am aware of, that was found in a river basin. That would be The Kgagodi Crater in Botswana Africa, and it was found by accident when drilling out core samples for a mining expedition.
emphasis added by me
Comets are asteroids, in EU there is no difference other then appearance, asteroids are not made of ice and sand. Note that asteroids can trigger CME's from the sun, an asteroid near earth could do the same, but the earth crust is in the way, so an earthquake happens. Highly likeley scenario.
Regards, Daniel
True that comets are asteroids, but must note that comets contain asteroids, meteoroids, gravel, sand, ice, dust, charged particles, plasma,... and travel at much higher rates, they can be loose collections and/or large solid bodies and anything in between. Comets have often been known to trigger mass ejections from the sun, but I wouldn't think a planet could emit a CME. I believe an asteroid would have to make an impact, but that a comet could just make a close encounter.
This is what I believe may have occurred, and if Comet Ison has enough mass, speed and comes close enough, especially if it slingshots around the sun and Earth passes through its dust tail, as I believe happened with C/1811 F1, then we may soon find out the facts about how comets can cause catastrophe!
